Ryan Punts on Trumpcare

Tuckerfan · Mar 15, 2017

Says it needs to be changed before it'll pass the House.

Ryan: Health care plan must change to pass the House

House Speaker Paul D. Ryan said Wednesday that his health care proposal must change to pass the House, marking a significant retreat from his earlier position that the carefully crafted legislation would fail if altered.

The shift came after a private meeting of House Republicans from which Ryan (R-Wis.) emerged to tell reporters that his proposal to revise the Affordable Care Act would “incorporate feedback” from the rank-and-file. Ryan attributed the change of strategy to the impact of an analysis issued Monday by the Congressional Budget Office. Among other details that prompted a fresh round of criticism of the proposal was a projection that 14 million fewer Americans would be insured after one year under the Republican plan.

Ryan backed away on Wednesday from his previous rhetoric of calling the measure’s fate a “binary choice” for Republican lawmakers.

“Now that we have our score ... we can make some necessary improvements and refinements to the bill,” he said, referring to the CBO’s estimate of the impact on the number of those covered by health insurance and what the GOP proposal would cost.

Ryan did not detail what changes are under consideration.

Vice President Pence also spoke to House Republicans in the meeting, acknowledging that changes to the legislation — which heads to the House Budget Committee for approval Thursday — are in the works. President Trump has offered his support for Ryan’s measure, while still meeting with conservative lawmakers who have expressed serious doubts about the plan.

“This president is ready to put the full weight of his bully pulpit and all of his tools” behind the bill, Pence told Republicans, according to Rep. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.). “It was very important for us to hear that, because there are a lot of people who need that shoring up.”

Pence told conservatives that the plan was still under negotiation at a private lunch meeting of the Republican Study Committee, a large caucus of conservative House Republicans, according to several attendees.

“As he said, it’s not often that we get an opportunity to undo such a big piece of legislation that had negative consequences on the American people,” said Rep. Markwayne Mullin (R-Okla.), paraphrasing Pence’s message. “He’s open to make improvements. . . . Anything that can get 218 votes and make the bill better, we’re all about it.”

Pence’s visit to Capitol Hill — which included meetings with influential blocs of Republicans, as well as individual members — came as part of a White House effort to salvage support for the embattled American Health Care Act, even as President Trump’s conservative allies told him the bill could be a political trap.

The legislation will face an important test Thursday, when the House Budget Committee meets to consider the legislation and advance it to the House floor. The committee may not directly amend the bill but may make nonbinding recommendations. Any substantive changes would be made by the House Rules Committee, which controls how the bill is presented and debated on the floor.

House Budget Committee Chairman Diane Black (R-Tenn.) insisted that GOP leaders are not “dug in” when it comes to concerns about the measure. “We’re listening; we’re definitely listening,” she said Wednesday to conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt. “And I will tell you: Tune in to our Budget Committee tomorrow, and you will hear these conversations.”

The blitz came two days after the Congressional Budget Office estimated that 14 million fewer Americans would be insured next year under the GOP plan. The falling coverage numbers and estimates of higher premiums for older and low-income Americans raised concerns among many lawmakers, particularly those representing states that expanded eligibility for Medicaid under the ACA.

[Budget office bombshell is going to force changes to health-care bill]

Ryan (R-Wis.) plans to hold a House floor vote next week, and Trump administration officials have spent the last two days in near-constant discussion with Republican lawmakers as they scramble to find enough votes to pass the measure. Leaders were set to take a preliminary count of members supporting the bill Wednesday night.

Critics of the legislation warned Wednesday that the measure remains far short of the 216 votes needed for passage. Typically, 218 votes are needed to pass a bill in the 435-member House, but five pending vacancies have reduced that threshold. No Democrats are expected to support the bill, and with 237 Republicans, party leaders can afford no more than 21 defections.

“They will whip it, and they will find 40 nos and another 30 or 40 undecideds,” said Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), chairman of the hard-right House Freedom Caucus, who has called for changes to mollify conservatives.

One member of the Budget Committee who belongs to the Freedom Caucus, Rep. Dave Brat (R-Va.), said he will vote against the bill in committee. Two other Freedom Caucus members, as well as three others on the panel, have not said how they will vote.

One conservative Budget Committee member who has voiced concerns about the bill said Wednesday that he had been convinced to advance it.

Rep. Glenn Grothman (R-Wis.) said he would support the legislation in the panel based on an “implied promise that things are going to be different on the floor, and therefore we can keep the process moving.”

He declined to say who had made that promise: “People higher up on the food chain than me.”

“I’ll say this, if the bill that comes to the floor is the exact same one in Budget, I’ll feel a little bit that I’d been had,” he said.

House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) acknowledged in an MSNBC interview Wednesday that the bill remains under negotiation.

“Watching sausage being made is not the prettiest thing,” he said. “What can we do on those final pieces that are being negotiated with President Trump and a number of our members in our conference that ultimately want to get to a yes vote and send this bill over to the Senate?”

Ryan spent much of Tuesday and Wednesday giving interviews in an attempt to drum up support for the plan. On the Fox Business Network, he defended the plan as a collaboration with Trump and the Senate and said “the major components are staying intact” while opening the door to “refinements and improvements.”

Later, in an interview with conservative radio host Laura Ingraham, he countered reports that the White House’s support for the bill might be slipping. Ryan said he had spoken to chief of staff Reince Priebus and Trump’s chief strategist Stephen K. Bannon “a number of times” about the bill, and he noted that Trump had brought lawmakers to the White House multiple times to make the case for the legislation.

“We are on the same page as the White House,” Ryan said. “I think there are those who would love to wedge us for one reason or another, but that’s just not the case.”

Hours later, at a rally for Obamacare opponents outside the Capitol, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) told activists that the House plan “has a lot of problems” but could possibly be modified into a “real repeal” of the ACA.

“I believe we can get it done,” Cruz said. “I can tell you, the last week, four days, I’ve been at the White House meeting with the president, with the vice president, saying, ‘We’ve got to get it done.’”

Various changes have been floated since the bill was unveiled earlier this month. Conservatives have pushed for an earlier phase-out of the ACA’s Medicaid expansion, moving it from the end of 2019 to the beginning of 2018, but GOP moderates in both the House and Senate have pushed back on that notion.

“Doing that would be a nonstarter and would be enormously and hugely problematic for many of our members,” said Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.), a co-chairman of the centrist Tuesday Group.

Meadows said Wednesday that the Freedom Caucus is closely focused on repealing more of the ACA’s mandates governing the extent of insurance coverage. “That is probably the No. 1 priority,” he said. “If we can get those, it would make the rest of it a whole lot easier.”

GOP leaders, however, have kept those provisions out of the pending legislation, arguing that their inclusion could threaten the bill’s passage in the Senate and that many of those mandates can be undone through Trump administration actions.

n another sign of the effect of the CBO report, Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.) floated a proposal to recalibrate the tax credits established under the House bill to offer more substantial help to low-income Americans. The House bill would offer assistance to individuals making as much as $115,000 a year; Thune’s amendment would phase out aid for those making about $75,000 or more.

“We want to build on what the House has done, and we think that this amendment does that,” Thune said. “It just makes it more defensible both in terms of the policy implications and the politics.”
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Steal Your Face · Mar 15, 2017

garamet · Mar 15, 2017

Sissy!

Bickendan · Mar 15, 2017

Ryan's a weasel.

steve2^4 · Mar 15, 2017

His face must get tired from the sappy smile he's been wearing for the last 2 months...

Ancalagon · Mar 15, 2017

What are the odds a substantial healthcare overhaul gets signed by Trump?

Man Afraid of his Shoes · Mar 15, 2017

What I think is interesting is the fact that nobody wants ownership of the GOP's healthcare bill. Trump says, "Don't call it Trumpcare", and Ryan definitely doesn't want it called Ryancare.

Fisherman's Worf · Mar 15, 2017

It's almost as if no politician wrote the GOP healthcare bill, and it was actually written by lobbyists.

oldfella1962 · Mar 15, 2017

Man Afraid of his Shoes said: ↑

What I think is interesting is the fact that nobody wants ownership of the GOP's healthcare bill. Trump says, "Don't call it Trumpcare", and Ryan definitely doesn't want it called Ryancare.
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Duh! Because everyone would call it "Tryancare"!

Ancalagon · Mar 23, 2017

Whelp, today is the day. Can Ryan and Trump push the AHCA through the House?

Forbin · Mar 23, 2017

We have to pass it so we can find out what's in it!

Steal Your Face · Mar 23, 2017

Nancy Pelosi should shut the fuck up and die already.

steve2^4 · Mar 23, 2017

And this is in reference to what, telepathic brain waves?

Steal Your Face · Mar 23, 2017

steve2^4 said: ↑

And this is in reference to what, telepathic brain waves?
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It's a general response, but perhaps I should have included this.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/23/nancy-pelosi-trump-made-rookies-error-health-care-/
Coming from someone who said this.

steve2^4 · Mar 23, 2017

I won't listen to the clip, but what do you find offensive about the article you linked?

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi on Thursday said President Trump made a major blunder by pushing to repeal and replace Obamacare on the anniversary of the overhaul’s passage, saying it’s unwise to pick a day and then hope the support is there in time.

“Rookie’s error, Donald Trump,” Mrs. Pelosi, California Democrat, said at her weekly press briefing.

Mr. Trump and GOP leaders are reaching for a highlight-reel vote to gut the Affordable Care Act on the House floor late Thursday — seven years to the day after President Obama signed his legacy overhaul into law.

Yet they’re still trying to cobble together enough votes for the plan, as conservatives push to kill a bigger chunk of the law and centrists balk at a plan that’s estimated to result in 24 million fewer Americans holding insurance a decade from now.

Mrs. Pelosi argued it’s Legislating 101 to get folks on board before you reach for a political prize.

“You don’t find a day and say we’re gonna pass a bill,” she said.

Steal Your Face · Mar 23, 2017

steve2^4 said: ↑

I won't listen to the clip, but what do you find offensive about the article you linked?

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi on Thursday said President Trump made a major blunder by pushing to repeal and replace Obamacare on the anniversary of the overhaul’s passage, saying it’s unwise to pick a day and then hope the support is there in time.

“Rookie’s error, Donald Trump,” Mrs. Pelosi, California Democrat, said at her weekly press briefing.

Mr. Trump and GOP leaders are reaching for a highlight-reel vote to gut the Affordable Care Act on the House floor late Thursday — seven years to the day after President Obama signed his legacy overhaul into law.

Yet they’re still trying to cobble together enough votes for the plan, as conservatives push to kill a bigger chunk of the law and centrists balk at a plan that’s estimated to result in 24 million fewer Americans holding insurance a decade from now.

Mrs. Pelosi argued it’s Legislating 101 to get folks on board before you reach for a political prize.

“You don’t find a day and say we’re gonna pass a bill,” she said.
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She fucking rammed it through the House in the middle of the night, fuck her. You LOST, shut up and go away!

Diacanu · Mar 23, 2017

Federal Farmer said: ↑

steve2^4 said: ↑

I won't listen to the clip, but what do you find offensive about the article you linked?

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi on Thursday said President Trump made a major blunder by pushing to repeal and replace Obamacare on the anniversary of the overhaul’s passage, saying it’s unwise to pick a day and then hope the support is there in time.

“Rookie’s error, Donald Trump,” Mrs. Pelosi, California Democrat, said at her weekly press briefing.

Mr. Trump and GOP leaders are reaching for a highlight-reel vote to gut the Affordable Care Act on the House floor late Thursday — seven years to the day after President Obama signed his legacy overhaul into law.

Yet they’re still trying to cobble together enough votes for the plan, as conservatives push to kill a bigger chunk of the law and centrists balk at a plan that’s estimated to result in 24 million fewer Americans holding insurance a decade from now.

Mrs. Pelosi argued it’s Legislating 101 to get folks on board before you reach for a political prize.

“You don’t find a day and say we’re gonna pass a bill,” she said.
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She fucking rammed it through the House in the middle of the night, fuck her. You LOST, shut up and go away!
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Yeah, like how the Republicans dried up, crumbled into powder, and blew away after Obama was elected.
Remember when that happened?
It was so gracious and classy of them.
And totally within the bounds of human nature, and the laws of physics.
Not imaginary at all.
Nor delusional.
Nosiree.

Ten Lubak · Mar 23, 2017

Federal Farmer said: ↑

steve2^4 said: ↑

I won't listen to the clip, but what do you find offensive about the article you linked?

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi on Thursday said President Trump made a major blunder by pushing to repeal and replace Obamacare on the anniversary of the overhaul’s passage, saying it’s unwise to pick a day and then hope the support is there in time.

“Rookie’s error, Donald Trump,” Mrs. Pelosi, California Democrat, said at her weekly press briefing.

Mr. Trump and GOP leaders are reaching for a highlight-reel vote to gut the Affordable Care Act on the House floor late Thursday — seven years to the day after President Obama signed his legacy overhaul into law.

Yet they’re still trying to cobble together enough votes for the plan, as conservatives push to kill a bigger chunk of the law and centrists balk at a plan that’s estimated to result in 24 million fewer Americans holding insurance a decade from now.

Mrs. Pelosi argued it’s Legislating 101 to get folks on board before you reach for a political prize.

“You don’t find a day and say we’re gonna pass a bill,” she said.
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She fucking rammed it through the House in the middle of the night, fuck her. You LOST, shut up and go away!
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Someone missed nap time!

Ancalagon · Mar 23, 2017

Looking like this might not go through today. HFC wants complete gutting of Obamacare, moderates jumping as package shifts right.

CNN's current tally is 25 committed nos and 4 leaning nos.

Ancalagon · Mar 23, 2017

And the vote has now been postponed.

Aurora · Mar 23, 2017

So 24 more hours to threaten his own party members? Great

Steal Your Face · Mar 23, 2017

So the freedom caucus is the enemy because they're sticking to their guns on republican values? WTF?

Tuckerfan · Mar 23, 2017

Federal Farmer said: ↑

So the freedom caucus is the enemy because they're sticking to their guns on republican values? WTF?
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Republican values (or those most politicians, really) = Whatever we can make a buck off of.

Steal Your Face · Mar 23, 2017

Tuckerfan said: ↑

Federal Farmer said: ↑

So the freedom caucus is the enemy because they're sticking to their guns on republican values? WTF?
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Republican values (or those most politicians, really) = Whatever we can make a buck off of.
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Their supposed to be the "conscious" of the party.

mburtonk · Mar 23, 2017

Federal Farmer said: ↑

Tuckerfan said: ↑

Federal Farmer said: ↑

So the freedom caucus is the enemy because they're sticking to their guns on republican values? WTF?
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Republican values (or those most politicians, really) = Whatever we can make a buck off of.
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Their supposed to be the "conscious" of the party.
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Conscience?

Steal Your Face · Mar 23, 2017

mburtonk said: ↑

Federal Farmer said: ↑

Tuckerfan said: ↑

Federal Farmer said: ↑

So the freedom caucus is the enemy because they're sticking to their guns on republican values? WTF?
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Republican values (or those most politicians, really) = Whatever we can make a buck off of.
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Their supposed to be the "conscious" of the party.
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Conscience?
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Yeah.

steve2^4 · Mar 23, 2017

I don't think the GOP is going to pull the rabbit out of the hat.

Half the GOP want to return to pre-ACA with yearly and lifetime limits. No coverage for essential services. Yeah you could buy insurance for less, but you got what you paid for. Even those on employer sponsored plans had limits. Bankruptcy was common.

The other half is not bat-shit crazy.

Ancalagon · Mar 23, 2017

Ryan and Trump have issued an ultimatum. This is the final offer. Pass it Friday or they are leaving Obamacare in place.

At the same time the CBO has issued a new score. Deficit savings slashed from $337B to $150B while premium hikes stay the same and 24m still lose their healthcare.

Tuckerfan · Mar 23, 2017

Federal Farmer said: ↑

Tuckerfan said: ↑

Federal Farmer said: ↑

So the freedom caucus is the enemy because they're sticking to their guns on republican values? WTF?
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Republican values (or those most politicians, really) = Whatever we can make a buck off of.
Click to expand...

Their supposed to be the "conscious" of the party.
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Fisherman's Worf · Mar 23, 2017

Ancalagon said: ↑

This is the final offer.
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Lol if anyone believes this

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