Santorum: Kennedy made me puke

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  1. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    So, sifting out "what would Jesus do?", how would a decision influenced by faith be distinguishable from a secular decision in any meaningful way?
  2. 14thDoctor

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    Don't churches receive a tax exemption (in part) for being politically neutral?
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  3. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    I honestly don't know, but I'd be surprised as hell if that were a condition.
  4. 14thDoctor

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    I found a handy pamphlet on the IRS website. :async:

    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf
  5. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

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    It is a recent aberration from the historical norm, but yes, it is supposedly the way things are.
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    Wow. :wtf:

    I'm guessing this isn't being enforced all that much, because it has to be going on a lot.
  7. Ward

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    What with the number of candidates who show up in the pulpits of churches preaching their version of the gospel, I'm assuming the IRS gets regularly ignored when a candidate has some clout.
  8. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

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    It pretty much has to be ignored, since it is illegal.
  9. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    *"Paradise city" riff*

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  10. 14thDoctor

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    How so? Are tax exemptions a constitutional right?
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  11. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

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    Congress cannot pass laws to tax religious institutions. :)
  12. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    If they break their end of the pact first, they aren't a religion.
    :)
  13. 14thDoctor

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    Says who?

    Is that in the Constitution?
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    You just know that apostle83 goes from six to midnight whenever he hears Santorum speak, and I can't help but wonder how he wrestles with it in that embarrassingly homoophobic mind of his.
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    Personally, I would rather that churches steer clear of that sort of thing. I sure wouldn't want my pastor telling me who I should vote for. (At least, not as pastor. If, in a private conversation between two buddies he mentioned that he thought so-and-so was the best candidate, that's his right the same as anyone else.)

    But then, my pastor isn't American so he couldn't tell me anyway! :D

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    FTFY
  17. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    DAMN! :soma:

    Now that is a "militant atheist".
    :diacanu:
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  18. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    Personally, I probably wouldn't want it either, but that's not to say I think it should be disallowed by the .gov.
  19. Black Dove

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    Not an atheist.

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    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    I'm on the Board of a political campaign that for tax purposes has become a 501(c)(3). Basically we are an educational charity. We are trying to raise awareness and educate the public on Issue X. Totally legal. As long as we don't say 'VOTE YES ON PROP X' we aren't campaigning.
  21. Elwood

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    You know the fight over Don't Ask/Don't Tell is over now, right? :nyer:
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    Santorum makes everyone puke. :lol:
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  23. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Well, not a very good one, what with the ghost stuff.
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  24. Black Dove

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    Never claimed to be one at all.

    And if you don't believe that, I'll sick a ghostie on your ass!
  25. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Pagan? Agnostic? Deist? Apatheist? Red-nose reindeer?
  26. Dinner

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    Please show me where that is written. (Besides where you wrote it, obviously.)
  27. Black Dove

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    I don't know, I'd have to ask the ghost to see what their belief system is.
  28. Nova

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    the ground HAS shifted a good bit but also, the things being said now are considerably more "in your face" than anything bush ever said.


    Santorum is - purposely or ignorantly - conflating two separate ideas. Kennedy was not saying, nor has anyone else, that a person of faith had to stay out of the arena. Everyone has EVERY right to let their faith animate their worldview and to face their various decisions in office with a worldview that is informed by their religious beliefs and act accordingly.

    what Kennedy insisted he would not do, and what no one has a right to do, is act in their official capacity in such a way as to enforce that which is ONLY a theological view.

    The government is a secular actor and must act for secular reasons.

    Thus, if your faith tells you adultery is wrong, good - but that's different in saying the government has a compelling interest in (and practical ability to) enforce a ban on adultery.

    Santorum would have us believe that because you argue the government is not in a position to outlaw adultery that you are therefor saying people who believe adultery is wrong are being silenced in the public arena. That's just stupid.
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  29. tafkats

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    I'm pretty sure it's just a matter of U.S. tax code, which Congress can rewrite if it wants to.
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  30. Nova

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    It's not enforced against Democrat supporting - particularly black community - churches pretty much AT ALL.

    it is on occasion invoked against over-active conservative denominations but not nearly as often as is claimed.