Saudis murder journalist in Turkey

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Summary: Dissident Saudi journalist walks into Saudi consulate in Turkey. 15-man hit squad follows. Journalist never leaves. Rumours swirl that he was dismembered and disposed of. Audio and video evidence appears to confirm.

Discuss.

They can't help themselves. One minute they are claiming they are opening up their country to modernization and the next they are murdering journalists and imprisoning even members of the royal family who ask questions in private.

It is almost like they have completely different cultural values which are incompatible with western values, huh?

Saudis. You don't use an apostrophe when you pluralize.

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Fine allies and well worth keeping off the Muslim ban list....

Why would it take a 15 member team to kill one middle aged journalist who was already contained? If he was killed, I would think it was an attempted rendition gone wrong.

it didn't take that many just to kill him. It took that many to dismember him and put his remains into suitcases, and possibly pull security in case things went south. What I heard on the radio (not gospel, could be bullshit) was his fiancée was waiting outside for over ten hours (damn what his customer number....285?) for him to come back out after getting some divorce papers finalized. During this time a group of men arrived with suitcases at a nearly hotel patronized by consulate customers. Yada yada yada he was taken to the hotel and cut up with a bone saw and his remains put into suitcases. The killers were traveling with "diplomatic immunity" thus their baggage was never checked. Imagine the poor hotel housekeeper happening upon this gruesome scene!

all the Lemon Pledge in the world isn't going to freshen up that room! Side-note memories of Iraq! The bad guys killed & cut up two of our soldiers in broad daylight but didn't hide the body parts, they just left them here & there on the road after they hauled ass - probably in an effort to get us to follow them into an ambush but I don't know.

The audio tape supposedly shows torture was used so it seems the crown prince wanted this world famous journalist tortured before being killed.

CNN says a source suggests US intelligence had intercepts of the plot to lure him to the embassy. Won't say how long they've had this, but under the Magnitsky Act if they knew of a credible threat to his wellbeing he should have been warned off. Of course:

or maybe US intelligence doesn't want to compromise the case by tipping their hand to the bad guys. Honestly do people expect a daily live TV briefing on the day-to-day details of cases they are working? That said there could be upper level shenanigans going on to cover this whole thing up - there is a lot of "left hand not talking to the right" in the intelligence world because of the "need to know" and deliberate "misinformation" floating around. Only a handful of people will likely know the whole story when all is said & done.

People in general? The public as such? No. But the guy currently distributed over several suitcases would probably have appreciated an earlier warning, all things considered.

And again we just don't know if they tried to give him a warning or not, or if not why not. It's easy to Monday morning quarterback this when we don't have all the details.

There is video of Trump from yesterday saying he doesn't care.

Again, once you are dismembered and parcelled off to Saudi Arabia in several shipments, I think it is fair to assume that something probably went wrong.

in those exact words? Trump said he doesn't care about the missing journalist?

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...n-with-saudi-officials-about-disappearance-of

damn you should work for Scotland Yard - your powers of deduction are honed to a razor's edge!

we should cut all ties with them. Granted there could be reasons (over & above financial interests) that we don't but it still disgusts me that we have to deal with them so enthusiastically, or any country that doesn't share our values.

It's been reported that they bought a bone saw in Turkey. It's also been shown that they showed up with luggage that looked empty (based on how they were handling it) and they left with the same luggage that now had the look of being heavy.

They also brought the top forensic person in Saudi Arabia. Theory is that his job was to make sure the scene was clear of all evidence. Turkey has also identified the others some of which are known to be military operatives.

This was no rendition. It was straight up murder.

A very stupid way to go about it too. Just follow him, drive up to his window and shoot him dead. It's what happens a lot in that part of the world.

Saudi Arabia must have really wanted him to know who ordered the hit and to suffer before his death.

Here's another update:

It's possible that the US wasn't expecting Saudi Arabia to murder this guy.

Turkey also claims to have proof of the murder, audio recordings, but they haven't released it yet.

Let's see, who all here at Wordforge is in favor of giving government ever more power? Show of hands, please.

you'll never even know when you are "giving" the government more power - they just take it. Just sayin'

BTW having a forensics expert verify that you covered all your bases is a smooth move.

Pretty much. He said the journalist wasn't a US citizen (only a prominent legal resident) and that his being murdered by the Saudi government shouldn't effected relations with the US and he did not want it to effect relations with the US. Trump also babbled incoherently claiming the Saudis were going to buy $110 billion in arms (they are not), that it was all because of Trump himself (it is not), and that the Saudi government murdering legal permanent US residents really shouldn't matter.

It was a pretty disgusting display of Trump's disdain for western values.

Not buying what you are selling, which is "trump said he didn't care" that isn't a read-between-the-lines delusion on your part.

yes, but we need a monarchy as well. A batshit crazy religious one would help. We're on that path, but it would be nice if your side could speed things up.

Putting aside that Trump's whole claim is wrong, no, the Saudi's can't switch their weapon systems without a decade or two spent switching over, also ignoring that the Saudis have had the same $125 billion wish list since the end of the Bush administration (they have had those sales approved for at least a decade but the Saudis always come up short on the cash to buy), yes, Trump pretty much said he did not care and that this state sponsored murder should not effect anything.

My side?

MY SIDE?!?

oh I see....he "pretty much" said he didn't care. We're done here.

And now there is reason to helieve Trump knew about this plot before it happened and almost assuredly knew about it with in minutes of this happening. There is a system to update the president immediately with such flash traffic as state sponsored assassinations.

So either the Trump White House is completely incompetent and dysfunctional or ye knew about it and decided not to do anything about it. All the Turkish stuff goes directly to NATO and all the NATO stuff goes to the NATO heads of state with the US in particular having a vast apparatus designed to funnel info to decision makers with in minutes.

Yet Trump continues to lie and pretend ye doesn't know anything. So either gross incompetence or he didn't care about the Saudi's murdering a journalist who was a perminent US resident.

Yeah, he said it was no big deal and shouldn't effect anything. So what does that mean beyond he doesn't care?