Serious Question for President Trump Detractors & Critics.

I will fully agree and acknowledge that almost all of you have quite good reasons to detest and even hate President Donald Trump. I fully understand that and even agree with some of the reasons people have.

But.

That said. Serious question.

What makes you think labelling President Trumps supporters as ignorant, uneducated, bigots, and homophobes will persuade ANY of his supporters to not vote for him or his successor in 2020?

Will thousands of voters in Wisconsin in 2020 vote for the Democratic candidate after they've been labelled "ignorant and uneducated"?

Will thousands of voters in Michigan in 2020 vote for the Democratic candidate after they've been labelled as "bigots and homophobes"?

Are Trump critics content with consolidating their election failures and happy with piling up meaningless popular vote "victories" via NYC and LA?

I think such people are labelled in such ways because it's an accurate description, not simply because the labelling will make them change their views.

And their votes count the same as anyones so I'm not seeing your point.

I thought Trump supporters were supposed to be immune to labels, since they are against any form of political correctness. Sounds like Trump supporters need to grow a pair, or educate themselves on the issues. I'm perfectly happy living and being successful on the coasts while the interior of the country flounders.

They are precisely as labelled. They honestly believed Trump spoke of them during the campaign. They voted not because they believed he would lift them up, but rather they knew he would trample us down. As they are truly that ignorant, what will they do it 2020? Vote for him again, because he didn't hear them the first time.

Truth is the point, votes be damned.

It is true. Calling people names rarely conveniences people to vote for you. Hillary learned that the hard way when she declared anyone who did not vote for her was a deplorable. Sadly, this negative habit seems ingrained on both sides though liberals seem to be doing more of it lately.

That is how someone becomes an ideologically pure losing candidate. Surely the objective is to actually win elections by getting more people to vote for you, right?

So how about cutting out the counter productive nonsense which harms that goal?

Neither I nor anyone here is a political candidate in the first place so this doesn't come into play.

When supporters pressure candidates to act in ways which do long term harm to the party's chances of winning elections then, yes, they are part of the problem.

IIRC, Hillary Clinton labelled some (not all) Trump supporters as "deplorable".

The Republicans made the same mistake with President Clinton. Convincing themselves that everyone who supported him was grossly "immoral" and thus not worthy of engaging politically.

Oh, here we go with this phony-moderate shit.
The bullshit stank when Clyde did it, oh, but you'll be the one to fool us!
Your bullshit smells of roses!

"Both elephants and donkeys have smelly balls, but I can't get the elephant balls out of my mouth for some reason. ".

No, no, we're totally buying it, really.

Progressives love labels, however, and so calling some of Trump's supporters deplorable, and significantly more of them ignorant uneducated homophobic bigots, is a strategy to draw votes away from Jill Stein, not Donald Trump.

I mean sure, they're probably hoping that a few people will be like "huh, I guess I don't want to be an ignorant uneducated homophobic bigot, and I'll seem less that way if I can tell people I voted for Hillary," but realistically, they know that's not happening.

Trump supporters aren't necessarily hateful, but they're definitely gullible. Think of how many promises he has either backtracked on or failed to deliver on. Which is all for the best, as most of his populist promises were nonsense.

He's a con-artist and it's easily demonstrable.

We don't need to convince his die-hard supporters that they were wrong, only the Clinton-skeptical moderates.

Once they realize he ain't gonna build The Wall, they'll start drifting away.

Humans love labels. Without labels, describe your day. What you're talking about is stereotyping. Humans love to stereotype.

Some will, some will blame homo-bortions, and double down.

He has barely been in office 100 days.

Getting it all done in 100 days was one of the promises.

Literally the exact opposite of what she said. Her whole point was to say that the people supporting Trump fall into two groups, only one of which she labelled deplorables (and in one of about 50 renditions of that speech, she misspoke and said 'half' rather than 'one of the two groups', but even 'half' very clearly does not mean 'all').

Others have already pointed out that this is an issue of accuracy rather than strategy.

Having said that, do you really believe that calling a Trump voter smart for voting Trump will convince them not to vote for Trump again? Why would it?

But of course the whole point is moot, as the idiots we're talking about -- not everyone who voted for Trump -- are using 'alternative' media anyway, which lie to them systematically. So it doesn't matter how anyone speaks about them, since they aren't going to find out. Whether they are told that progressives call them ignorant does not depend on whether progressives call them ignorant, but only on whether their masters think they should believe that progressives call them ignorant.

No one takes something like that seriously or literally.

Hey, not all of us voted for him.

Then why take "deplorable" literally?

A ton of people who voted for Trump aren't uneducated, ignorant bigots. That's pretty obvious.

You arent one of those people though.

Because Hillary Clinton while she is many things is not an egotistical blowhard like Trump.

Demagogues do have certain advantages you know.

I did not vote for Trump.

it is the nature of our current political discourse. Right wingers called Obama supporters "libtards" and similar slurs were directed at supporters of X, Clinton, Reagan, etc. None of them actually change anyone's political perspective, nor are they designed to.

And quite frankly, if I say that a person who casts an ill-informed vote is "ignorant" I'm being VASTLY more civilized than the person who relies to that claim with "you libtards just don't get it"