Seriously, Richard? Dawkins Pushes TERF Declaration

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  1. Diacanu

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    History's gonna look back on "Irreversible Damage" as the next "Mein Kampf" or "Seduction Of The Innocent" or "Michelle Remembers".
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  2. Nyx

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    Yes, because it's going to damage a lot of young lives. The suicide rate amongst transgender teens is already unacceptably high (anything above 0, honestly), and all this is going to do is give pseudo-scientific credence to awful people to abuse their children in the name of "saving" them, just as it happened to the lesbian and gay community in decades past.

    As the late great James Randi once said "anyone can be fooled." It doesn't matter how smart you are, and Richard here has rationalized himself right into fundamentalism and transphobia. I still have a copy of The Greatest Show on Earth sitting on my book shelf, and I wonder what happened to that man to make him so bitter and insular that he would openly attack the natural world he once seemed to care about.
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    His wife left him in 2016...
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  4. Nyx

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    That can certainly mess with perceptions, but unless she ended up coming out as transgender, I don't see the connection.
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    I've known more than one person who just turned brutal and an antithesis of their former selves after getting divorced. I'd say that it was highly likely his social circle was dominated by his wife's friends (she's an actress, after all) and after the divorce, they probably left him alone.

    I mean, it's not like there wasn't a streak of bitterness in him before the divorce. I've heard several talks he'd given where he pointed out that his wife's "favorite Doctor Who monster was Tom Baker." His wife was married to Tom Baker before she married Dawkins. He seemed to relish the fact that he was banging her and Baker wasn't.
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  6. Nyx

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    Ah, I see what you mean. I've never been married, so it's all theory on my end.
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    I was waiting until later torespond to this, and I ended up watching a movie called Swan Song. I highly recommend this movie. The movie's main character is an old school gay/genderqueer man who is living in a nursing home, and makes a journey to sandusky to do the hair of a republican socialite that he used to make look pretty until they had a falling out.

    The journey is a lot about how the gay community he used to be in is now replaced and he is very much a old bitch. There isd a point in the movie where he is talking to a dead old friend and he is watching this gay couple play with their son on the beach and he says he does not know how to be gay anymore. He came from a much more abusive time where the gay community needed gay bars and clubs, and now gays can hold hands in public and have kids.

    I guess it hit me I do not overly identify with the new sensitive GLBT movement. This does not mean they are wrong, and I do envy their freedoms and strength. Whatever their world becomes it will be more open for them, and more full of allies and support. But god damn they are some sensitive bitches. I realize I get along with older gays a lot more because they do not freak the fuck out over words like faggot.

    I am going to say about Will's story, what the fuck is up with those guys? At one of my gaming groups that was all gay except for the hag and this one straight guy, the straight guy slipped one night and used the word fag to identify a gay guy in a joking manner. We had probably used that in front of him ourselves. We did not throw him out or hate him. We let him know it came off bad. You do not just hate on someone who is there enjoying their time with you. That is a moment you can get through.

    As for eddie Murphy raw. I still watch it to this day with a much different appreciation for his gay jokes. I am laughing right now at the thought of ralph and ed as faggots. Those two were funny characterizations, and eddie had them down. I could see Ed fucking ralph up the ass in the kitchen when Alice and Trixie walk in. That is some funny shit. I am pretty sure I have told a partner to keep it coming slow or I would clunch my butt cheeks and rip his dick off while in bed. Also, eddie murphy's ass in that pink tight suit was some eye candy for some of us faggots.

    Eddie Murphy did not make being gay negative. He made some funny jokes about being gay. The negativity came from society. Without the negative stigma of society eddie murphy's raw was not insulting IMO.
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    Translation: I personally like that one, so the bigotry gets a pass.
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    If they feel that strongly about it, why play it at all? It's still a game based on her ideas, and still associated with her creations.

    If I didn't know better, reading this article from the Major League Quidditch :lol: website, would make me suspect that the name change is really about trademarks, and that the announcement is PR posing as virtue signaling. In any event, the decoupling from the Harry Potter franchise is unlikely to increase the sport's prospects IMHO.
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    I don't see how Quidditch can be decoupled from the franchise. Seems like the game is enough of a departure from any previously-RL sports that, even if they stop calling it Quidditch, the game itself can't be anything other than Rowling's intellectual property.
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    It would likely fall under fair use/transformative work. Quidditch is essentially rugby with witch brooms and magic. Take away the magic, and all you have are rugby players running around on a witches broom, which are not anyone's intellectual property, and two teams playing sports where the outcome is unknown, and thus no longer a part of the universe in which the Quidditch sport exists. As long as they don't call it Quidditch, they should be fine.

    Another example is D&D. There are thousands of MMOs out there based on Dungeons & Dragons, but they are free to create their own worlds off of that very simple formula as long as they don't call it Dungeons and Dragons.

    There is some historical precedence regarding derivative works and copyright/trademark:
    Seltzer v. Sunbrock, 22 F. Supp. 621 (S.D. Cal. 1938)
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    Quiddich as represented in the book is fucking stupid.
    If you chase the snitch, you're playing a different game than everyone else.
    There's no incentive to play the fucking rugby part with the stupid fucking rings and shit.
    It'd be like if they added lightsaber duels to soccer.
    "You can slog around with this stupid kicky-ball, or you could just go over and chop the goalie's head off".
    Stupid.
    JK Rowling sucks.
    Hmmph!
    :bailey:
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    Can't read the article on my work computer - and probably wouldn't allow the ads on my own pc anyway. So, can someone copy and paste? But, I think, like @Paladin says, the game is based on Rowling's imagination. They don't like her stance on social issues, don't play the game.
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    I'm sorry, Quidditch is an actual sport with a governing body?

    Unless brooms can now actually fly, that's one of the saddest things I've ever heard

    Like I picture a bunch of cunts just running around with brooms between their legs that can't even catch a snitch because no such thing exists
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    Having a prosthesis between their legs that falls short of conceptual expectations -- you can understand why they'd want to defend transgenderism. :)
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    The snitch is, I kid you not, a guy with a tennis ball inside a yellow sock attached to the back of his shorts.
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    From here.
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    That so incredible and sad all at the same time :lol:
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    That's one of the things I had to figure out as a middleager... to stop dunking on younger generations for making the most of a world we wanted for ourselves-and indeed, had to bleed to get to.
    Are they really sensitive bitches or are they just as we encouraged them to become, and not taking shit from the fogies?
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    I mean, if people have fun doing it, then it's the same as any other game... I wonder if the brooms get padded in any way, though.
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    You would think that with the tech we have now, the snitch could be some kind of drone.
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    That would give someone control. In the books, the snitch just moves randomly, not controlled by anyone. The person driving the drone could cheat for a specific team.
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    *J.K. Rowling writing the first Quidditch game*

    "Hmmm. I need a game where students are flying around in a magical way, but which also has a way for Harry Potter to win the game all by himself..."
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    Really, all sports look that silly to me, but I just suck it up.
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    Late to this party but apparently the same thing happened to Gene Roddenberry after divorcing his first wife.

    Jessie Gender had a looooong video on Gene's Vision, and knowing how jade he became post-TOS went a long way into explaining how Rick Berman ever got anywhere near the line of succession for the franchise--Rod's attitude pushed out everyone else that had worked with him on TOS, most notably D.C. Fontana, and there was no one else around who cared anymore.
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    Good, you should. It's a really lame opinion that makes you look weak in more ways than one
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    ...and then Johnny yelled at Miguel to teach him how to use Facebook.
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    You're someone who really could have used some heavy participation in sports growing up. Would've vastly improved your sense of self worth and self esteem. You'd probably garner more respect and not be viewed as the insecure joker who follows the popular opinion around like a puppy, you probably wouldn't fold like laundry when confronted with the truth and you probably would actually have some skin in the game in real life
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