*Sigh* Important...Please Read.

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=74911

Starting with post 6.

Squiggyfm believes KIRK1ADM or Dayton tried to get him fired for browsing Wordforge. Now, I've no doubt squiggyfm is not above saying something like this to get KIRK or Dayton banned, and as he has not communicated to any of the WF staff AFAIK, we have nothing to go on but this thread, so we need to find out for certain if this is true, and if so who the culprit really is before taking any action. Thoughts on how to proceed?

Okay.

I'm sure most of you have heard about Squiggyfm's workplace being called and someone from Wordforge did it to complain about him.

Well. It's true and not only is it true but the person in question confessed to me privately about it and is willing to accept punishment if one is deemed necessary.

Now, the thing is...the person didn't do anything on the board, didn't find out anything about Squiggy on this board and really, as far as I know hasn't technically broken our exsisting rules. They found out the information at TrekBBS, they haven't said or done anything here with it.

It's obviously a case where it was a shitty thing to do, but I don't feel like we really have any place or reason to be punishing them for it.

I also don't feel comfortable just making that decision without input and discussion from the staff. I will leave names out of it to insure a lack of bias in any direction and so the topic remains unclouded.

So....discuss.

Re: Folks, we may have a situation

Whoa, we're only here to help Wordforge, I'm not interested in solving another boards problems. Besides I forgot my TBBS password.

If anyone complains about what happens on this board on this board then it's time to take a look.

Re: Folks, we may have a situation

Ironic...please check the thread I just posted while you were posting this one.

If they mentioned WF in the complaint, they should be banned, IMO. If not, it's a little more gray. Suppose I'll merge my thread with this one...

EDIT: bolded in case anyone gets confused.

Re: Folks, we may have a situation

Squiggyfm is a member here. Just because he posted there instead of here doesn't invalidate the complaint.

No I hadn't but it's not hard to guess who it might be, that said, it is not some one from Wordforge it is someone who is a member of both boards. As far as I'm concerned it is a TBBS problem.

Re: Folks, we may have a situation

A valid complaint to be dealt with by the board he complained to.

Agreed, a darn shitty thing to do.

Squiggy was wasting work time on both sites, it was hard for WF not to come up when he was brought to task by his supervisor.

I don't see how we can justify punishing someone for what they did at another board just because our board was mentioned in the action.

They didn't get any personal information here, They didn't do anything on our board, the member's employer didn't come after us in any way....what reason or rule do we have to punish someone for?

And this bit pretty much ends it, another example of why you should be wary of posting personal information on a BBS.

By the way....it was neither Kirk nor Dayton just to indicate how wrong Squiggy is.

I didn't think it would be... Dayton's not the type, and Kirk's smarter than that.

Lemme make sure I've got this right..

Someone who posts on both TBBS and WF reads, on TBBS, that Squiggy is posting on WF, and calls his boss to tell him Squiggy is wasting time on TBBS and WF. Is that right?

If so... yeah, I guess there's nothing we can do about that.

If it didn't happen here, we've no cause to do anything about it here. I'm not going to punish our users for actions on other boards. Unless of course they're putting out personal info on one of our users.

Define "here" or "on another board" relating to a phone call. There's three possible standards: membership, what was said, and where the information was found. Using the "where the information was found" standard, then yes, it was "on another board", AFAIK. Using "what was said", that's here. Using membership, it's both places.

Well, they post both places and saw Squiggy both places.

The personal info used was found at TBBS not here.

They didn't even threaten to do it to them here to my knowledge, a la the Storm/Gul debacle.

To my knowledge that is what happened. In fact, Squiggy's supervisor begged said person not to go to their manager and that he would handle it himself.

I am sure nothing too earth shattering came of it aside from Squiggy not being able to post from work, thankfully for his sake.

Still, as a semi-troll, it's one thing to rub someone's nose in stuff online, it's another to call their boss. This is over the line, from a principles point of view.

Tamar, PM me with details if you don't want to share with the room. Who's "Squiggy" over here?

It's always been seperated.

Simply being a member here doesn't give us a lisence to punish people if they do things we don't approve of, does it?

If I post a picture of Tasvir at TK that I gound on Google, I should not get a warning or a ban here for example.

Wait...so if Dayton had posted a thread at TBBS about someone contacting his school instead of here then if a Wordforge member did it and was found out they wouldn't of got into trouble? Whereas because he posted a thread about it at Wordforge that member would be banned?

What sort of insanity is this? Does this mean that all Squiggyfm has to do is mention his work being contacted here and then that member will be banned because it will suddenly be our problem?

Crikey, not even a full day into owning the place . . .

Online it's very easy to separate the domains. Tamar Garish on WF is different from Tamar Garish on TK. But if you're calling Tasvir's employer telling him he spends work time online, which Tamar Garish is that? Both of them? The one on the same board that found his phone number? What if you found it on Google, or on a message board you're not a member of? The one on the board that you told the employer he spends time at?

Also note that Squiggy only ever posted twice outside the Gray Room, so any member complaining to his employer about Squiggys posting here was probably doing it based on posts in a closed forum.

Personally, I think they shouldn't as it didn't happen on the board.

The person shouldn't have made their information available to be used.

Is it really any of our business what someone does in their home on the phone?

You are the first person I have seen say on Wordforge that whoever called Daytons school should not be banned if they are discovered.

Do we even know if it really happened?

In this case we do, as the person confessed. But sans confession or evidence it's hard to know if his school was ever really called.

I don't think this is Wordforge's problem...
But I happen to think, on principle, that whoever it was should be thrown to ravenous wolves.

Lanz, this all seems like a furball right now. Let me get my head wrapped around it and look at the evidence. I'll give you some unsolicited advice.

But, the reason I came into this thread was The White Room...stuff. Do you want me to say anything? I'll be more than happy to try to mend fences, but I don't want to appear to be walking on your toes either. I want this one to be your call all the way.

Whether or not the school calling actually happened, the point is that everyone at the time was saying that if it were true, and the perp caught, they should be banned.

Here you have a clearcut case:

A member of Wordforge has confessed to contacting the employer of another member of Wordforge to complain about, among other things, the amount of time he has spent posting on Wordforge.

What if someone contacted Lanzmans employer with links to any vaguely pornographic material on Wordforge. Would they not be banned?

Look at the CM situation, a massive heavy handed approach because she has the possibility of posting some information that could have real world impact.

Incidentally, either I'm going blind in my dotage or "squiggyfm" does not show up on our user list. I was able to find him thru the Admin panel but not on the "Members" link up at the top of the forum.

Has Squiggy complained about this incident here at Wordforge?

Unrelated: Elwood, I have the White Room thing covered. It's small potatoes. Thanks, tho.

No, not that I am aware of.