You should now be able to scroll over other people's posts and see the actual code for the smiley they used. I know we still need to organize them more, but at least now if you see one you like, you can scroll over it and see what code it is. what other ideas do ya'll have? we're not going to go wild and delete them all, but what other kind of organization would be helpful? they're already subdivided into christmas, easter, Obama, naughty, etc....do we need further subcategories for the "misc" ones? or do we need a "most often used" category? what does everyone think?
I thought everyone was amenable to the "most often used", category? Me, Nova, and Async made a good list too.
I demand social justice for smilies. There's nothing wrong with the number of smilies we've accumulated and they only take up a small amount of space in the board's database. We have smilies for every occasion, including the flags, and that's one of the coolest things about Wrodforge. The problem is a lack of organization. The flags could be alphabetized and any problem with that category would be solved instantly. That might also be the resolution to the others.
Yeah, a "Wordforge Classics" that actually HAS all the classics in it would be very useful. Anything anyone uses with relative frequency should be in there, probably.
Wow, when did Mrs. Albert become an admin? Not that I object, but aren't there usually some announcements about these things?
As far as I know, it's specifically for the smilies. She volunteered to weed them out and organize them, so she's doing it.
I thought about that and I think it'd be fine for the flags, but alphabetizing the others isn't going to help someone find when they're looking under j for jumping or b for bouncing. it's not just the usernamed ones that we would have problems with, either. you're never gonna find if you're looking under i for idea or if you're looking under l for love. i think that if you know the first letter, you probably already know the code. yeah, i'm probably overthinking it. i really like having lots to choose from tho. i wanna make it easier for everyone to find the one they want, but i'm not sure if alphabetizing will work for anything but the flags.
My list... http://wordforge.net/showpost.php?p=2455167&postcount=41 Async's... http://wordforge.net/showpost.php?p=2455235&postcount=48 Hmh, coulda sworn Nova did one. Whatever...
True but the likely possibilities aren't endless. Can we list the same smiley under several names? I know we can : call : them by different names, but I'm not sure if they actually appear several times in the list.
Probably just the ones used often. The point is to make a smaller, more easily navigable list. is certainly not a classic.
Yeah, she asked, I thought it was a good idea and Mrs. A is one of the few folks I'd trust with access to the admin panel, so there you go.
Lanz, serious question -- what else do you need help with? There might be 2, but probably not 3, other trustworthy folks who might volunteer.
Nuttin' right now. There's something in the works for a bit later. And O2C is working on upgrading the board software, so there's that.
oh poop - I hope I didn't mess it up. I don't think I changed the actual codes for anything - just changed the "title" so it matched the code (I even left without the end : on there)....but maybe I messed up. from your & async's list, it looks like it got changed from : Poke : to : poke : at some point. you want me to change it back?
Diacanu - Your list and async's list are LONG! I'm worried that by the time everyone who cares picks their favorites, it'll be just as hard to navigate as the "misc" category is now. So I guess the question is: what's the right # for the "most used/popular" category so that we have a decent variety in there but it's still manageable to navigate? 20? 50? 100? also, I think there's a way to make it so the little box that pops up to the right side of the reply box pulls a random assortment from whatever category we pick, so if I understand it right, we could set the "most used/popular" category so that it's the one that the system pulls from for that. maybe that'd be useful for people who aren't all that into it, but just want to use the basics without remembering all the codes. it might not matter to the long-timers who have lots of favorites, but I think it'd be better than 15 or 20 random smilies from "politics" or "zombies" or whatever. It seems like it'd be a bit more user-friendly for new people or people who don't post often enough to keep track of so many smilie codes.
1) The lists are long because they are simply compilations of nominations. Basically, everyone who ever uses a smilie nominated it. They cannot simply be used for a "most used smilie" page because, even though that's what was asked for, that's not what was done in the end. A "most used smilies" page would have to select from that list a certain number that actually are used the most. 2) It is true that alphabetization wouldn't always make it easier to find them. But would it hurt? Even if it only helps some, that's already something, isn't it? 3) What about a page that doesn't have the names on it, but just all the smilies? Something like this (note the spaces between them, lest the bbs break them up into lines, thus causing some of them not to show up as smilies, but as text at the end of one line, then more text at the beginning of the next line), but a lot longer: c: :chess: :can: :euro: :overhead: :jealous: With the code now matching the name (thanks; that needed to be done!), we could see a huge number of smilies at once, thus saving the need to look at a bunch of pages which are so long you have to scroll through them, and simply hover the mouse over them to get the name. You could leave the obvious "separate" categories off it (Christmas, flags, violent...) but put insults, emotions, debate, misc, and maybe a could of others all on it. I would probably use a page like that more often than the current tables. And making such a page maybe doesn't require getting rid of the others, does it? 4) As for "other" things that need touching up, in addition to the smilies, there was at least one thread here in the Help Desk some time ago about the rollover rep titles (the ones you get when you hover your mouse over someone's rep pips). Several of them have typos in them (every time something is supposed to say "than" it says "then," for example), one of them doesn't work because it has quotation marks in it which should be changed to apostrophes (is "mmm mmm" good, for the 5750-5999 range; it only reads "is"), and a few that could stand being changed (I don't really see how "was a butt double in Brokeback Mountain" is actually a compliment). The administration was amenable to changes, but nothing was ever done. If I'm not mistaken, it was supposed to be Tamar's job, and shortly thereafter she went through one of her really critical periods where health is concerned, and by the time she was operational again, the subject had been forgotten. But it still would be useful. With a little searching, the thread should be able to be found again; it's here in the Help Desk and a couple of years old. 5) Having Mrs. A as an admin so she can do this kind of thing is a great idea! (I saw the exchange where it was talked about, and was glad to see it was actually done.) Not all admins have to do technical work, and those who can are usually too busy to do these kinds of "housekeeping" things. Since I think we can all agree that she can be trusted not to mess up the board, why not keep her on, just for these kinds of things that otherwise never seem to get done?
How many do you think is too many for a "most used" category? it would be doable, but hard to keep up with over time. you have to assign each smilie within each category a # for what order you want it to appear. so if you were to add one called :bob:, you'd have to change each one that would be after it to a new #. with the rate that we add and remove smilies, I think it'd be easier to subcategorize them by similarity....like with and and , within the emotions category. that's how it shows up in the box to the right of the reply box on advanced view, but I don't think it's possible to do that with the dropdowns. if it is, it's definitely beyond my capabilities. as far as I can tell, the codes that show up beside the smilies when you use the dropdowns are the title that shows up with you scroll over one in a post. even if we did remove them, I think it'd just show the smilie and then a blank box where the code should be, so I don't think it would save any room. (I am not 100% sure on this, but that's what it looks like to me.) more questions for everyone: and are definitely common, but I would assume most people know those codes. Do you think they should be included in the most used category? also, my preference would be to not use any giant smilies in the most used category, since they're already easy to find. what does everyone else think?
Do we need and ? They're similar enough to and that's the one that gets used I think. Also, I agree with the quoted paragraphs. Bigger ones are easy to find, and the small ones you listed are straightforward.
I think 50 would be a good number. Okay, point taken about alphabetization. And I agree, similar ones next to each other would be real good. Better than alphabetizing them. and are all enough alike that I can never remember which one is which, for example. Question: Do the numbers with the # sign have to form a complete sequence? That is, can you skip numbers? If so, you can use big numbers and leave lots of "holes." That way, you can put new smilies in appropriate places. (That's the way programmers do lines of code, so they can stick new lines in between existing lines if the need arises. At least, it was back when I was doing programming...) Then what about a sticky thread, locked, that just has posts filled with smilies? The posts could be sorted out by category (or categories; there is still some sense to putting some of the categories together), with the more common ones in the first posts. That would be a straightforward job, but just involve a lot of "busywork." And it wouldn't have to interfere with anything else in the smilie setup, either. I think I could find a smilie I want, or choose from various options, quicker with something like that than with the current category. But for those who prefer what we have now, it would still be there. Absolutely yes. That's the whole point of "most common." The reason is the word "most" in your statement that "most" people know them: The use of a "most common" page is for those people who don't know the codes even for the most common smilies. Agreed.
Sometimes a little variety is nice. If we have some sort of organization, so they show up together, then there is no harm in having them. There are even times when, for effect, you want to use several different smilies that pretty much show the same thing. I'm not that much in favor of removing smilies. Organization >>> reducing the list.
