So. The Olympics.

Ancalagon · Jul 31, 2021

matthunter · Jul 31, 2021

Yeah very few male tennis pros seem to be models of emotional stability, but they sure like mouthing off.

shootER · Aug 2, 2021

Ancalagon · Aug 4, 2021

Ten Lubak · Aug 4, 2021

Tererune · Aug 4, 2021

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I have read a good explanation as to why Simone felt she had to quit*, but honestly, I don't give a shit as to what her reason was. Everyone should have the right to say "Non serviam" if by doing so doesn't put the lives of others at risk. Literally nothing about her job (or the majority of other jobs) are worth risking life and limb over, and she was definitely at risk of that had she continued to try and perform.

*She has what isn't terribly uncommon amongst gymnasts (and I would assume other athletes) what is called "the twirlies." Essentially, she's lost the muscle memory for how to do her routines. Imagine, if you will, that you're someone who knows how to drive a stick shift very well. You've done it for years, and don't have to think about when you need to shift gears in response to how you're driving. Now, imagine that you're suddenly thrown into the toughest driving course imaginable and you've "forgotten" how to drive a stick shift. You understand what a stick shift is, that you need to take your foot off the gas, and put your foot on the clutch when you need to change gears, but all the other shit that you've picked up over years, you know, the engine sounds, if you're going up a hill or down a hill, if you're towing a load, or if you're in a sports car, is all gone. So, you have to really think about each and everything that you do. Make a mistake, and you could be seriously injured or killed. So, I don't think that one could blame such a person for saying, "Fuck that." and walking away.
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Yep. And I read that Biles couldn't take her ADHD medicine into the country because of Japan's insanely strict drug laws. That she was able to compete as long as she did is a miracle.

Most of the 1996 Dream Team took severe injuries that forced them into retirement after those games, particularly that one who broke her leg on the vault and the other who took injuries on the beam. All of them have come out in support of Biles' saying no more they they did not and could not.
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So she was taking ADHD medicine and was going through withdrawls? Of course that would cause some motor control problems along with balance and nerve spasm issues. There is a reason you don't just cold turkey that shit. In no way should she have been performing complicated body movements like that.

This is just not a case of being nervous in front of a crowd or pressure if that was what happened to her. Yes, she would recover over time, but it is not like alcohol where the hangover is gone in a day. WTF are her team doctors not paying a bit of attention? You cannot just stop taking them like that and expect to be OK for gymnastics.

spot261 · Aug 5, 2021

Tererun said: ↑

Shirogayne said: ↑

Tuckerfan said: ↑

I have read a good explanation as to why Simone felt she had to quit*, but honestly, I don't give a shit as to what her reason was. Everyone should have the right to say "Non serviam" if by doing so doesn't put the lives of others at risk. Literally nothing about her job (or the majority of other jobs) are worth risking life and limb over, and she was definitely at risk of that had she continued to try and perform.

*She has what isn't terribly uncommon amongst gymnasts (and I would assume other athletes) what is called "the twirlies." Essentially, she's lost the muscle memory for how to do her routines. Imagine, if you will, that you're someone who knows how to drive a stick shift very well. You've done it for years, and don't have to think about when you need to shift gears in response to how you're driving. Now, imagine that you're suddenly thrown into the toughest driving course imaginable and you've "forgotten" how to drive a stick shift. You understand what a stick shift is, that you need to take your foot off the gas, and put your foot on the clutch when you need to change gears, but all the other shit that you've picked up over years, you know, the engine sounds, if you're going up a hill or down a hill, if you're towing a load, or if you're in a sports car, is all gone. So, you have to really think about each and everything that you do. Make a mistake, and you could be seriously injured or killed. So, I don't think that one could blame such a person for saying, "Fuck that." and walking away.
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Yep. And I read that Biles couldn't take her ADHD medicine into the country because of Japan's insanely strict drug laws. That she was able to compete as long as she did is a miracle.

Most of the 1996 Dream Team took severe injuries that forced them into retirement after those games, particularly that one who broke her leg on the vault and the other who took injuries on the beam. All of them have come out in support of Biles' saying no more they they did not and could not.
Click to expand...

So she was taking ADHD medicine and was going through withdrawls? Of course that would cause some motor control problems along with balance and nerve spasm issues. There is a reason you don't just cold turkey that shit. In no way should she have been performing complicated body movements like that.

This is just not a case of being nervous in front of a crowd or pressure if that was what happened to her. Yes, she would recover over time, but it is not like alcohol where the hangover is gone in a day. WTF are her team doctors not paying a bit of attention? You cannot just stop taking them like that and expect to be OK for gymnastics.
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I think a key mistake in retrospect was using the phrase "mental health" with so little elaboration.

Public opinion should not matter but insofar as sports inevitably have a publicity element I think people would have had more sympathy for "athlete denied her medication" then "athlete quits due to mental health".

Tuckerfan · Aug 7, 2021

matthunter · Aug 7, 2021

Mongo sorry.

MikeH92467 · Aug 8, 2021

The horse punching is bad enough, but it was someone else’s horse

matthunter · Aug 8, 2021

So, all over.

Team GB did OK again - 65 medals total, equally our medal from the London 2012 games but just short of the 67 we got at Rio 2016. 4th in the medals table below USA, China and Japan (we got more medals than Japan but fewer golds).

ed629 · Aug 8, 2021

Shirogayne said: ↑

Tuckerfan said: ↑

I have read a good explanation as to why Simone felt she had to quit*, but honestly, I don't give a shit as to what her reason was. Everyone should have the right to say "Non serviam" if by doing so doesn't put the lives of others at risk. Literally nothing about her job (or the majority of other jobs) are worth risking life and limb over, and she was definitely at risk of that had she continued to try and perform.

*She has what isn't terribly uncommon amongst gymnasts (and I would assume other athletes) what is called "the twirlies." Essentially, she's lost the muscle memory for how to do her routines. Imagine, if you will, that you're someone who knows how to drive a stick shift very well. You've done it for years, and don't have to think about when you need to shift gears in response to how you're driving. Now, imagine that you're suddenly thrown into the toughest driving course imaginable and you've "forgotten" how to drive a stick shift. You understand what a stick shift is, that you need to take your foot off the gas, and put your foot on the clutch when you need to change gears, but all the other shit that you've picked up over years, you know, the engine sounds, if you're going up a hill or down a hill, if you're towing a load, or if you're in a sports car, is all gone. So, you have to really think about each and everything that you do. Make a mistake, and you could be seriously injured or killed. So, I don't think that one could blame such a person for saying, "Fuck that." and walking away.
Click to expand...

Yep. And I read that Biles couldn't take her ADHD medicine into the country because of Japan's insanely strict drug laws. That she was able to compete as long as she did is a miracle.

Most of the 1996 Dream Team took severe injuries that forced them into retirement after those games, particularly that one who broke her leg on the vault and the other who took injuries on the beam. All of them have come out in support of Biles' saying no more when they did not and could not.
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Kerri Strug, she sprained her ankle, didn't break her leg. The only reason I know her name is because of Bobby Hill. There's an episode of King of the Hill where he has a crush on her and he brings up her Olympics performance.

Tuckerfan · Aug 20, 2021

You'll want your sound on. I think someone was watching a different event than most people.

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