Some of Sarah Palin's Ideas Cross the Political Divide

And yet you take it as a given that all liberals are the scourge of humanity without the benefit of the same evidence.

Tell you what, find me evidence to the contrary and I will consider it.

Until then, she's a fundy who wishes to turn this nation into a Christian version of Saudi Arabia.

Which would look nothing like Saudi Arabia. :/


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Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. (1 Corinthians 7:5 ESV)

No Kafiyahs maybe, chadurs would be in fashion.

Why would an Iranian Moslem dress become popular here?


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Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. (1 Corinthians 7:5 ESV)

I assume you have as strong a base of evidence for this as for the previous claim?

I've been rather specific expressing views much to the contrary of this claim.

Prove a negative?

Since I'm not particularly interested in advancing her cause, i really don't see a need to change your mind. The only reason I replied was to put the contrary view on record.

You are free to believe whatever misconception reinforces your biases I suppose.

Nova. Half your posts are talking about how the Democrats (i.e. liberals) are ruining the country.

And if I try to explain to you that the Republicans are just as responsible, you start quoting Beck or some damn thing and I have to quit reading.

I didn't say they would be "popular". I said they would be "in fashion". There is a difference, but I won't bother to explain. Maybe if you think real hard, you'll see what I'm driving at.

They really aren't

And even if they were, that's not what your previous post said.

Seriously? I can't remember the last time i quoted Beck (hell, I can't remember the last time I've LISTENED to Beck for more than a five or ten minute snippit)

But hey, cling to the stereotype. It gets in the way, IMO, of us really communicating about anything ever but if that's how you want it.

Presidents like to say "God Bless America" at the end of speeches. I, if elected into office, would end every speech with "Now fuck that noise and get on about ya business."

Disagree. It indicates an insufficient level of respect for individual rights. Someone who believes your rights can be nullified by majority sentiment in one area can likely be persuaded to see it that way in all areas. If it's just a contest over who gets to meddle in everyone's lives in which areas, I want no part of it. The day someone runs on a strict platform of "Earn your keep and mind your own fucking business" will be the day I actually have someone worth voting for.

Much as I dislike voting for anyone who's against gay rights, in some cases there's a valid argument to be made for not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

"Good" is a basic respect for individual rights that doesn't make exceptions for personal beliefs. "Perfect" would be a brutally dispassionate view on the subject.

Keep voting for Nazis then, and tell yourself the curve will creep UPWARD.

I would end every speech with "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

That's why I have a certain amount of respect for Governor Christie. He lays it out as he sees it, and if you don't like it, tough. I respect him, as opposed to some other "tough talkers" because I do think he's willing to listen to people who disagree with him and doesn't seem to demonize his opponents.

And a voice coach. Her voice drives me nuts.

That sentiment would go much further if it went both ways. Pretending that any arguments from made from the left are not immediately shut down by stereotypes and preconceived notions by 90 percent of the posters on this board - and when I say 90 percent, the 10 percent that doesn't are left wing posters - is ludicrous.

So, if I have to prove any left wing ideas are not in line with stereotypes and preconceived notions, then yes, you also have to prove your right wing politician would support gay marriage and a woman's right to choose.

Honestly, I'm not sure what you just said there.

All I can say is that I'm one of the few - possibly the only - right-of-center poster here who does not take as a given before i even reply that your positions are so loopy-lefty that they deserve no respect. i think i give the things you post more respect and consideration than anyone not on your side of the aisle. I think (except when you are describing me) much more sensible that you usually get credit for here.

Even when we disagree.

I keep re-reading that last paragraph, however, and i just don't understand what you mean, particularly in the context of what i said that you quoted.

when i say "cling to the stereotype" - i mean your stereotype about me, not your stereotype about your average Republican politician.

You can't possibly have been paying so little attention that you never heard me bemoan the GOP politician who cling to the anti-gay position.

I have no stereotype about you. All I know of your politics is what you post here. You and I have agreed on some things and disagreed on others.

I don't know why you don't know what I'm talking about. The things we disagree on, I've pointed out to you that the reasons you disagree are because of stereotypes and preconceived notions.

At least, the times when I know that what you are disagreeing with are due to stereotypes and preconceived notions, rather than an honest disagreement over the resolution of an issue.

We're just going to have to let this die, we're talking in circles.

I maintain, however, that thoughtful disagreement on specific opinions equates to:

"you take it as a given that all liberals are the scourge of humanity "


To repeat what I've said several down: I think both political parties, as a group and in their power structure, are pretty equally destructive, just in different ways. But laying that aside, i think individual liberals are JUST as often people of good will and noble intent who want to see an out come that produces a better life for more people as you would find among conservatives. i do NOT they they are the "scourge of humanity" ad have said pretty much nothing that would give a thoughtful person that impression.

Zing! Ow.

Seriously, tho. Whether it's hype or not, she gives the distinct impression that she is all about making this county a much more "moral" country (i.e. Christian). And if for that reason alone, I would not vote for her. period. Argue all you want about how that's not what she said - I don't care. But pretending that that isn't the impression she is putting forward is disingenuous and dishonest.