Speaking of "PedoRay...."

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"Defrocked" sounds really dirty.

I hope it's Catholic slang for being repeatedly butt-raped.

As in, "Bubba really defrocked my asshole last night."

So...people who cover for pedos are often pedos themselves?
Well, doesn't speak well for Popey McPoperson.

That's Führer Benedict XVI to you, scum! :nazi:

Even worse, he might not be able to celebrate Mass publicly! They'll make him do it in a broom closet or something!



Aw shit... they have altar boys at Mass, don't they?

It speaks volumes about the human condition that anyone would still publicly admit they are a Catholic.

Fuck you. Really. In the ear or the ass, matters not.

I am and always will be Catholic.

What about the neck?

And do the actions of your church, past and present, fill you with shame?

Serious question.

Yanno, here's where it gets down to personal responsibility.

Unless Caboose happens to be a bishop who's aware that there are pederasts under his jurisdiction and does nothing about it, he's no more guilty than you are of, say, actions your provincial government may have taken against its Native peoples, or police brutality in your hometown.

Good enough analogy for ya?

I think a better analogy would be someone that discovers his favorite clothing line is manufactured in criminally abusive sweatshops, but still runs to the mall every time a new collection is released.

It's pretty well known now that the abuse and the coverups that allowed the abuse to continue weren't the actions of a few bad apples. The abuse was (and is) systemic, the coverups were (and are) systemic. And it goes all the way from the very bottom to the very top.

And that doesn't even begin to cover the historical atrocities of the church, or the modern atrocities being committed by the church in Africa today.

If you know all this, and you're still giving them your money and wearing their label, how are you not at least somewhat responsible?

How many Hail Marys is a "fuck you"?

Because faith runs a little deeper than a designer label? Because no human institution is immune from corruption, and unless you're Grizzly Adams or Uncle Albert, you have to interact with those corrupt institutions daily.

The question is, how do you change human behavior?

No, it's an absolutely awful analogy. If you can't see the flaw in it, well, I expected better from a published author.

Fear and intimidation.

Religion already knows this though.

This kind of fucked up reasoning holds people responsible for the actions of someone like Al Capone, or their own government.

And no. I will not answer for actions I didn't take myself, directly.

You don't. And you have no business trying. The one and only legitimate recourse is to hold people accountable for their own actions. At this point, the only way to do that with the Catholic church appears to be figuratively burning the entire institution to the ground and dragging the whole lot out in chains. Wearing a frock doesn't immunize you from "accessory after the fact."

Plenty of people have left the Catholic church while keeping their personal faith.

If it's communion or confession one needs, Anglicans or Lutherans are a pretty good substitute.

You've got to draw the line somewhere. I accept the cashier at the 7-Eleven might be a little shady and double-check my change accordingly, but that doesn't mean I'm signing up for my local branch of the Nazi Party.

Positive and negative reinforcement.

If the church loses members every time another scandal comes out, that's negative reinforcement.

If members stick around no matter what, that's positive reinforcement.

If you're knowingly, willingly supporting a criminal organization, you bear some responsibility.

The government can throw you in jail if you don't support them, and Al Capone would just break your kneecaps. Banana Republic and the Catholic Church have no such policies. (Well, not in Canada or America.)

Shit, your (the global "you") collection plate money might've bought a Bishop's plane ticket to some South American country for some rape.

Your dime coulda literally put a dick in an ass.

So there's no police brutality in your town? No corruption in the government to which you pay your taxes? The company you work for is above reproach?

How quickly they forget...

That's my dream world.
Everyone leaves, and they lose ALL their worldly power, and then they're just regular nasty old men.

"Dry up the swamp of credulity", as Hitch put it.

Yep, well, Luther had the same dream, and yet here we are.

*Sigh* humans are weak, thumb-sucking little animals.

You do know that the captain is responsible for the actions of his crew.

Off to Rura Penthe with you!

I don't have a choice when it comes to supporting the government with my tax dollars.

My employer isn't perfect, but they've taken drastic steps to real with corruption and criminal behavior by employees when it's occurred in the past. Entire units have been publicly disbanded over the unauthorized actions of a few criminal employees, who were then subject to criminal charges.

Well, I work for a telemarketing company. So yes.

Nah, Luther just wanted to reform the church from within, but they wouldn't listen. He was the Ron Paul of his time.

And I thought those Confirmation classes would never pay off...

If you expect Caboose to leave the church, surely you can leave the country?

Thank you for making my point for me. As you said about Luther, you try to work from within.

If you can wade through the corruption to see what the original intention was, you can strive to get back to that.

Jesus didn't have the intention of creating the Greatest Power Broker in the History of Western Civilization.

When you look at the mess his followers made of the original plan, you have to weep for the guy.

Sure, yeah, that's almost the same fucking thing.

All one has to do to "leave the Church", is stay home on Sundays, and eat Cheetos.

Mind control.


Jesus may not have been a prototypical totalitarian fascist like those who came before and after, but he was still David Koresh without the guns and pussy.