Star Trek Discovery. [SPOILERS WITHIN]

If only they had addressed this in the S2 finale and then replayed a reminder of the reasoning as part of the "previously on..." at the start of S3.

We're not presuming anything beyond that she had shorter hair a year+ earlier, and then as the episode showed us she grew it out over the next year+. You're the one presuming that she didn't do anything like that.​

So we're just going to hyperfocus on the hair, a small nitpick/ observation and ignore the bigger ones that have bigger implications? Is that what we're going to turn this thread into, five more pages of discussing Michael's hair?

Why not?

They addressed the reasoning in the "previously on.." because Idon't remember that, but I'll happily re-watch it.

I'm not presuming anything. All I said was that one person observed that it didn't look like a year's worth of hair growth, but longer. That's all. Now everyone is pilling on that one minor observation that I didn't even make. Jesus Christ!

Do you even realize the difference prosthetics and make up that an actor might wear vs. an actor's natural/real features? For example, Harrison Ford's scar on his chin means Indiana Jones will have a scar on his chin. There's a difference between that and Spock having pointy ears. Leonard Nimoy did not have pointy ears.

Fine, why not? It was just an observation that I didn't even make. I personally like her hair now.

Well you already told us that the wall of text wasn't even a collection of things you found important, so why would we? Pick out a couple that you think are worth discussing.

So why bring it up then?

You brought it up, if it was a small nitpick why did you do it?

Who's the one hyperfocusing now? So you're saying that that real hair and fake hair are different from real ears and fake ears in movie/tv makeup? Actors and actresses have worn fake hair, I'm pretty sure that Jeffrey Combs doesn't have white hair. Your argument is getting weak.

Maybe just bring up the ones you agree with in future? Or clarify which ones you disagree with?

Yeah, what others have said. Michael spent a year worrying she'd never see any of them again, that they could be dead or lost in time all because they chose to follow her. And the crew just threw away their entire lives in the 23rd century and found themselves in a nightmare future, I'm surprised they're not even more emotional.

Already addressed, but Leland totally would have assimilated Discovery and the sphere data if the ship hadn't been defended from the inside.

so the final conclusion here is that one can get a new weave on any of several different planets in the sectors she and Book were gallivanting around in?

I don't have anything major so far. The first episode was solid. The second episode was okay. I didn't hate it and I didn't love it. It's good to see the crew acting like people that actually work and live together. Doug Jones is amazing and I'm glad he's captain now. Detmer remains my favorite and I'm glad that other characters are getting more screen time and hopefully some character development. The third episode was kind of boring and I don't like that Earth is no longer a part of the Federation. My biggest complaint throughout this series is Georgiou, I cannot stand her over the top mustache twirling. That scene in the second episode where she beat up all of those guys was completely unrealistic. Oh and there was no reason Burnham couldn't have told Suru her plan. If she's going to be the first officer, she needs to stop doing shit like that. It would be like making Mariner you're first officer.

I agree with both of those things.

His hatred of Discovery really reminds me of those homophobic preachers who always rail against "teh gheys" and invariably end up being discovered in a sleazy hotel room while the local gay men's rugby team is running a train on them.

I like Georgiou pushing at Saru, since I'm sure she's just saying exactly what his own self-doubts are telling him anyway, and it's a solid mindfuck to have it coming out of the face of his old friend and mentor.

When Saru snapped back at her that "Starfleet doesn't fire first," he was directly quoting Prime Georgiou from the series premiere.

What would be the Discovery-hater version of that?
Him having a SMG body pillow?

I don't mind Michelle Yeoh's chewing of the scenery, nor her being an ass kicker. I mean, they're not gonna hire Jackie Chan and have him colour in black velvet posters... I'll take her choreography over Kirk's flying double fist thing any day.

Story wise, Burnham didn't have time to explain.

Exposition wise, it also reflects the battle of the binaries where she acted alone and Saru had to trust in that instinct. That it pays off for them brings the idea full circle. It may not have been "starfleet", but it was character development.

umm... take my money?

More like character regression.

how so?

She shouldn’t be going back to being a maverick, she should be moving forward and embracing her role as first officer and doing things the Starfleet way.

yet she's just had to unlearn that for the past year, along with how the old ways jsut won't work in the new era.

"Getting"? Do you mean to imply at some point it was strong?

Exactly. Saru insists on adhering to Starfleet values, Georgiou openly rejects them, and Michael (the actual protagonist) is caught in the middle. It's the classic Kirk-Spock-McCoy debate triangle.

Personally I love Georgiou in general. As to whether she could have taken out all the bad guys, just add it into a long list of times when Trek's fight scenes were unrealistic given the parameters. If we were to have honest depictions of combat and if our heroes were not covered by Plot Armor, Kirk would have been dead a half-dozen times over just in fist fights: at the hands of Spock about three times (This Side of Paradise, Amok Time, Mirror, Mirror), at the hands of the Gorn in Arena and at the hands of Khan in Space Seed, probably others that don't come immediately to mind. Or sticking to women, the notion that Jadzia Dax can outfight contingents of Klingons primed for battle seems more far-fetched than G-money can surprise and beat a bunch of bullies who aren't expecting her or anyone to stand up to them.

Nah. Seven-six-two millimeter. Full-body Kurtzman.

For the sake of argument; why? Starfleet seems to have all but vanished in the 32nd century. How well did doing things "the Starfleet way" work out for Starfleet as a whole? This isn't Voyager, where luck is always on their side and Janeway never has to compromise and Seven always saves the day with Borg magic and shuttles and torpedoes magically replenish when no one is looking. Think BSG, where doing the ethical thing means Baltar becomes president and thousands die. Think Firefly, where resources don't grow on trees and you have to take whatever work comes along just to keep the lights on. That's the sort of world they're in now.

hey, in the 32nd century I'm sure there's a pill or something that can accelerate hair growth.

The Doctor already used it on Seven of Nine back in the 24th.

Same episode.