Star Trek Discovery. [SPOILERS WITHIN]

I'm noticing the "Woke Discovery is emasculating the white men" types don't have much to say about the first two episodes, despite the second episode making a big deal about Michael, Tilly, and Adira being unable to figure out how to deal with the threat of the week without the assistance of Saru and Rayner. Rayner even interrupts Tilly and Adira to scold them and point them in the right direction before disappearing while they're distracted like he's Batman, while Saru reminds Michael he's more athletic than she is and proves it.

What's the correct term for emasculating two women and one non-binary?

no, I'm saying a little less than half of it deserves to be retold.
Of that, maybe half would be worth retelling .

Y'know, a lot of the novel writers operated under the assumption that The Progenitors and The Preservers are one and the same.
I wonder if Discovery is gonna bark up that tree.

To be fair, it doesn't seem like a lot of people were interested in discussing the actual content of the first two episodes.

But I wouldn't be surprised if from the perspective of those who think Discovery is woke (as opposed to the rest of Star Trek), they still would have complaints about the episodes because of one or more of the following:
1. The male half of the villain duo is seemingly big dumb muscle and subordinate to the female half
2. Despite being a captain with far more experience than Burnham and being technically right (the 70n percent odds of no-avalanche justified the manuever they did), the president of Starfleet engineered Rayner's forced retirement, and Rayner is now going to be second in command to Burnham.
3. Random guy wasn't man enough to hook up with Tilly.
4. Saru wasn't manly enough in deciding what he wanted to do, and might as well been renamed Simp-ru.
5. Book is less the charming, capable bad-ass he used to be and more just kind of there/mooning after Michael.
6. Despite being an android and having supposedly disarmed the villain duo and outnumbering them, the villain duo (which is really the woman and her lackey) Mary Sued their way to a victory.

Note: none of this reflects my actual view of the episodes/ except for No. 2, and I don't really care all that much about how contrived it is that Rayner is effectively taking an unjust demotion to continue on with the show. I think the addition of the actor and some actual conflict between Burnham and her second-in-command might do the show some good.

I do question the seeming disconnect between "This is a Red Directive mission, do everything by all means necessary!" on the one hand and "Let's just send one or two ships on this mission and let's have a single two-person away team try to determine what's going on here." It also doesn't really make sense to me that no one apparently picked up the trail of the Progenitors and in the 900 years since The Chase. In that episode, there were the Romulans, Klingons, Cardassians and perhaps others who were involved in it. It doesn't make much sense to me that no other Romulans would have followed up on the main Romulan guy's research, no other powers, etc. But then I guess it shouldn't be too surprising since basically every week, the heroes of the various series make discoveries that should have profound cultural/technological significance but rarely are mentioned again.

Yeah, this feels like it should be the plot of the first season of Legacy, not the last season of Discovery. That would even explain why only two ships are on the case, since Starfleet would still be recovering from the Borg takeover. Rayner could even be a crusty old Dominion war vet.

I like how they didn’t explain what the Red Directive is. I’m being sarcastic.

Context clues, man. No different than watching a cop show or a medical show or plenty of sci-fi shows.

You mean like how the government can present voluminous documentation that what was found at Roswell was a spy balloon which really means that they're covering up a UFO crash?

Which I still resent, worst casting in the modern era. BUT it sets up my pet idea: rather than rehash the best of TOS (except insofar as you can do it with flashbacks and such) my idea would be that the successor to SNW is set right after V'Ger and fits in the gap before TWOK

While I get the demotion thing, and I think they would have just been better to simply yank him out of a voluntary retirement (maybe he's wracked by guilt about the people he almost got killed?) one thing I like about this is what I was harping about back when they were doing that insane "First Officer ENSIGN Tilly" bullshit - as soon as they got there and were absorbed into Starfleet the obvious move would have been to assign a 32nd century command rank officer to be her XO. Someone who knew all Starfleet knew (in theory) about the "lay of the land"

So in that sense I think this fits even if they took an awkward route to get to it.

I don't get that? Sure, he's older than Shatner was, but his delivery/portrayal has been more than adequate.

With ya though, that besides redoing the essential points in the timeline, we could set up the entire lost era of several decades until TNG era-or at least get "phase 2" rolling.

Maybe Georgiou meeting Rachel Garrett is setting that up.
Maybe if Section 31 becomes a show, it'll be a backdoor Lost Years.

http://wordforge.net/index.php?posts/3531317/

http://wordforge.net/index.php?posts/3531392/

http://wordforge.net/index.php?posts/3531460/

By my estimate, that's about half the active users on this board.

Reality

I think it's funny how at the end of the day Kovich, and old white cis male is in charge. I guess the writers really did want to reflect what we see in the real world. I take it all back.

The age difference matters because it becomes more apparent over time and particularly in that production schedules are so long now.
You really need a time jump to re-align them.

As for Wesley as Shatner/Kirk... the performance is fine but I can't SEE Kirk in him the way I can even with Pine. Mainly it's those damned eyebrows.

I'll see that and raise with the guy who plays Jack Crusher in Picard. And if you are defining the modern era to be TNG forward, I'd probably also put Anthony Montgomery as Mayweather, Brent Spiner as the 10th play on a Soong, Robert Beltran as Chakotay up as nominees.

How do you know he's cis? For all you know, he and Vance are a couple.

Also, Kovich clearly isn't in charge. The Federation president is.

Making TV History with Star Trek: Discovery

not sure over time matters given people age a hell of a lot more gracefully these days. Hell, I was still getting carded for cigarettes here at 42.
I think the performance is a bit more important than the look, and as we're already making allowances for timeline adjustments, no big deal if he's "born" a few years earlier. Even his service record in TOS (pre Enterprise) is a little spotty, so...

I’m sure you do.

How do you know he’s not cis? Nothing on screen has indicated that he isn’t.

He probably is, but if he weren't, there would likely be no indication.

By the 24th century, medical science is able to turn Seska into a Bajoran so thoroughly that Chakotay can have sex with her and never suspect that she was ever anything else.

In the 32nd century, sex reassignment must be completely trivial.

No, "modern era" was just a reference to streaming.

I would presume that in any culture that's moved past the stigma, the considerable majority never experience the "wrong" puberty (I don't want to presume no one ever realizes after puberty) and the GRS would be both (a) as entirely routine as, I don't know, a root canal is for us; and (b) accomplished with some sort of tissue regeneration process that would provide a fully functioning reproductive system, not just an outward appearance.

Which is to say, if they don't tell you directly the odds would be exceedingly long you'd have any way to know how they were assumed at birth.

So, Trekmovie did their usual thing of combing through the trailer with the frame advance button, and I missed this.

The Enterprise!

But...how? She got refit into the movie-prise then blown up in TSFS.
It's not the mirror-verse Enty, because its got NCC not ISS.
Its not the JJprise, cuz the nacelles aren't right.
It could be the A...but..why isn't it at the Fleet Museum?
Huuuhhh??

Source.
https://trekmovie.com/2024/04/10/st...-intriguing-clues-and-the-return-to-spoilers/

Umm... Mirror had NCC, it was USS that was replaced with ISS.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wik...ile=ISS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701),_remastered.jpg

Mirror it is then!
Its all it could be!

This week’s felt like a classic Trek episode, I liked it better than the first two. I really liked what they did with Culber and Rayner, it’s good to finally see some discipline on the ship, the hippy shit was getting old. I mean Kirk and Spock were friends, but Kirk definitely made it clear that he was captain and they still needed to maintain command structure. Adira and Grey weren’t working so I’m glad that’s over with. As someone who’s had an amicable break up, I appreciated that scene even though the dialogue was clunky. Saru on the other hand is a cuck. I was much more invested in the A plot on this one.

I forgot to mention the snake faces from “The Lonely Amung Us” were apparently featured in this episode.