Star Trek Discovery. [SPOILERS WITHIN]

Klingons off the starboard bow!

My interest in Discovery just plummeted tremendously.

The most overused alien race in all of Star Trek. We'll no doubt be treated to endless tales of Klingon honor and constant attempts at "humanizing" the Klingon characters.

I dunno... I'd be interested in seeing the off duty/shoreleave possibilities with central Klingon characters. Also thinking that this makes room for fleshing out the cooperation era between the Klingons and Romulans by exploring the behind the scenes intrigues.

The TOS era Klingons often came across more as privateers than an organized military... their rules for honour tended to be a bit more circumstantial.

Wasn't the obsession with "Klingon honor" mostly a TNG era development? Basically an attempt to give the Klingons "noble" characteristics since one of the main characters (and soon one of the most popular) was Klingon.

Pretty much... but it was also through Worf's not really knowing what it was outside of a bit of book learning. Compare him to K'or in either his TOS or DS9 appearances. This is a guy who likes to drink, fight, and fuck with his loyalty being to friends and crew long before the empire.

TNG tried to model them as samurai, but I think they were always more like vikings.

I really hope they don't just keep falling back to the space Vikings schtick.

I was really hoping for Romulans, I'm burnt out on Klingons.

Yeah, gotta side with Dayton on this.

DS9 killed my interest in ever seeing Klingons again, and Enterprise's stupid arc in season four was the final nail in the coffin.

That said, I think Worf being an outsider to his native culture (or for that matter, B'Elanna and her dual heritage) would've made a for a far more powerful allegory to race relations now given everything in the last five years than in 87 and 95 respectively when we all thought that stuff was behind us.

Shit, I'd take another Borg episode over five minutes of Klingons.

Ultimately I was really hoping to see a show about Captain Garth, but that ship has already left spacedock.

I was hoping for more Pakleds.

I dunno, I think Dana Carvey could really use the work right about now....

Dana Carvey did portray the sidekick and copilot in the television version of "Blue Thunder".

He's got a new special on Netflix which is pretty funny. No @El Chup , I don't work for Netflix.

can't do much with the Romulans without fucking up "Balance of Terror"

Might be interesting to develop the Orion culture beyond green space babes.

Maybe I missed something... why does this link show her in a Nemesis-era uniform with the combadge on the wrong side? Did somebody just do a bad photoshop for the article or something?

Yep.

The body is a still of Patrick Stewart!

I've always wondered about this.

Why the assumption that Kirk, Spock and the crew had perfect knowledge about the Federation's history with the Romulans? To me its perfectly reasonable that Starfleet Intelligence knew that the Romulans were offshoots of the Vulcans (it was obviously not a surprise at all to Spock) or that the Federation Diplomatic Corps might've had backchannel contacts with the Romulan High Command at various points over the proceeding century.

Why accept simple statements like "the Romulans and the Federation had no contact for a century" or "their power is simple impulse" at face value?

Sonequa Martin-Green (Sasha from The Walking Dead) is our (as yet unnamed) lead!!!

http://www.cbr.com/star-trek-discovery-finds-its-lead-in-the-walking-deads-martin-green/

Star Trek 2009 already did that.

Also, Enterprise expanded on the Orion syndicate

A black woman!

Milo, whatayagunna do?????? Man the Twittersphere fellow Trumpsters! We've got some SJW PC crap right here that needs defeating!

Well, she's worth tuning in for at least one episode.

I think if B'Elanna was rewritten today the only substantial change would be her self loathing now focusing on her human side, especially in a majority human crew. In '95, she wanted to fit in, but in 2017, I'd see her more reflective of an audience that embraces the qualities that give a sense of uniqueness. She was supposed to reflect Spock's identity struggles, I suppose... but in retrospect, it just seems like she'd be way into hair relaxers and whitening creams (ridge concealers?) based on the time she was split into two.

One of the things Enterprise got right compared to DS9 was the Klingons. They weren't a military or knightly order, so much as a biker gang. We also got a glimpse at a the lives of a lawyer and research scientist... Rare enough for any alien species who 9/10 times we see a member of the militaries or diplomatic corps. The story elements may have been weak and forced, but the idea of other occupations was a welcome change in POV. Likewise, the visuals were far more believable... the raider ship in Sleeping Dogs was very "lived in". You knew that if targs were running around loose on a ship, there were places that smelled of their piss and folks slipping on turds. There was laundry hung to dry in the crew quarters and unmade bunks. More than a few crew members fraternizing, I'm sure (BTW, how would a queer Klingon couple play out?). Replace every utterance of "honour" on DS9 with whatever translates to "fuck" in Klingon and that's what I'm envisioning.

Hmm... there's an idea... Set klingons on a newly founded mining colony, on the outer reaches of the empire. Focus on the civilians using Deadwood as a template. Most of them are from landless houses and so there are competing interests for local leadership until the House of Duras (for connectivity sake) show up with their combine.

That's actually an interesting take on B'Elanna. It's too bad that TIIC screwed the pooch on Voyager so I doubt we'll ever see a remake. Seeing a B'Elanna that embraced both halves of her heritage and served as an avatar for the hypocrisy of elitist liberals the Federation that DS9 touched upon would be worth the price of admission.

I think they were going for a Spock thing too, but the thing I got from him is that he was always trying to strike a balance between those two worlds (and in TOS at least, he was equally accepted in both worlds for who he was). He was mostly proving his Vulcaness to himself. B'Elanna OTOH wants to reject her Klingon culture outright and Tom has to talk her out of embryonic plastic surgery for their daughter...and as Kyle pointed out, that scene in Lineage where the kid puts worms on a young Torres' food is one of the most clear cut instances of bigoted stereotyping shown in any Trek series, including DS9, because that 8 to 10 year old kid had to learn that from an adult in his life.

Maybe a future post Voyager series will introduce a Bajodassian and we'll see something like this.

Ohhhh, a Spock allegory...THAT'S what they were going for....I just saw her as a crazy goth cutter chick in space.

Nah... she was off-brand K'Ehleyr, just like Paris was off-brand Nick Locarno.

My impression was that 'honour' and 'fuck' were the same word in Klingon

Only if people who encounter them survive.

Edit: or just play it for comedy. So many species in the Trek universe look identical to humans, why should they assume that those that look like humans with pointy ears share Vulcan ancestry?