Star Trek: Picard.

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  1. 14thDoctor

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    Even as a shitty PIC changeling it would be so easy, as far back as episode two.

    -Wait until Shaw's alone
    -Kill/incapacitate and impersonate him
    -Walk onto the bridge, order the crew to drop shields, power down all weapons, and hail the Shrike.
    -"Captain Vadic, we've dropped our shields and we're transporting the fugitive Jack Crusher onto your ship immediately. I'm going to beam over too, so I can personally apologize on behalf of Starfleet for interfering in your lawful bounty hunting operation and not so we can all make a clean getaway together."
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    Oh, and if the changeling infiltration of Starfleet is really so pervasive, why send only one ship to intercept the Titan? Send three. Surround her and order her to power down all systems. Beam every life sign onboard into cargo bays repurposed into holding cells. Relieve Shaw of command "pending a full investigation" and send over a skeleton crew of changelings to take control of the Titan.

    Don't just send one uncompromised officer and two changeling goons to handle it.


    Do the changelings even want Jack that badly, or is this a fun game they're letting him win on purpose? :shrug:
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    true that, S31 in DISCO at least sent an armada for two ships...
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    Given it was never the intention for Michael to take up the Captain's chair if I remember the original pitch correctly, I can't hold their feet to the fire on that one, but the CHUD component of the fanbase are shitting their panties about Burnham existing anyway, so fuck 'em. :clyde:

    Still, would be nice to have more Trek shows led by people of color. And yes, us black folks are eating pretty well these days but it would be pretty cool to see Asian leads and Hispanic leads and portrayals of Native Americans and/or other indigenous groups of people with the input of said indigenous groups too.

    Dunno if we're gonna get the Section 31 show now that Yeoh got that Oscar win, but if she's still open to it, that would be pretty cool on principle, even if I'm not thrilled about the concept.
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    Now I'm curious how much bitching from the usual suspects has happened that Carol Freeman is the Cerritos' captain.
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  6. Shirogayne

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    Most of them were too busy bashing on Mariner to get too mad about Freeman existing TBH :shrug:
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  7. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    point of order: Lorca and Pike filled the straight white guys quota.

    but yeah, good point that they are few and far between in subordinate roles on DISCO.

    They really fucked up when they gave in to the CHUDs and jumped out of relevance.

    Star Wars might actually have taken the lead on representation...
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  8. Ten Lubak

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    So with all the Janeway name dropping they're doing in this show, are they going to mention Odo at all? I haven't seen it in ages but if memory serves, Odo rejoined the Great Link at the end of DS9

    Unfortunate Rene Auberjonois passed away, it would have been great to see him again
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    It did seem strange to me that Ro was sent over especially after she revealed she had gone as far as going to the media about her concerns Starfleet was compromised

    Changelings have played the long con before though so maybe they did it on purpose knowing what the outcome would be buuuuuuuut I'm going to go with bad writing on this one :yes:
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    Prodigy used voice clips of him for a holodeck version of Odo this year, I'd hope for at least a scene where Worf is in the background keeping him updated and we hear a "harrumph" from offscreen.
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    They didn't actually namedrop Odo, but Worf did say that he was tipped to Changeling involvement/defectors from the Great Link by "an honorable man," who by implication was Odo.
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  12. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    I assume that either Yeoh was already under contract for the Section 31 show, in which case she will likely do it, or any foot-dragging was on Paramount's part, in which case they will likely stop their foot-dragging and find that her rate has probably doubled. (Would Yeoh be the first Oscar winner to star as a regular in a Trek series? Or at all? I assume so, but maybe there was a random cameo from someone who then went on to get an Oscar, or the case of an Oscar winner who decides to slum it in Trek.)

    I, for one, welcome our Trek-meets-Mission-Impossible overlords.
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  13. Diacanu

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    Shit, I thought Whoopi won for "The Color Purple" but she was just nominated.
    Ah, she got it for "Ghost" though.
    Yeah, that was their apology award.
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  14. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    I did forget about Whoopi, but she was a recurring character rather than a series regular (i.e. someone receiving a credit for every episode and appearing in most).
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    His picture was also seen on a padd used by one of the characters (I can't remember who) giving some exposition about the changelings.
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    He did a whole bunch of Odo voice work for STO before he died, if anyone is feeling nostalgic. Nog, too.
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  18. Diacanu

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    Picard loves Star Trek 4.
    First the bus punk, now The Bounty.
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    First off. That was the USS. Enterprise, no bloody A, B, C or D and it wasn't the SNW version. So all of the people who continue to say that the 60s version wouldn't look right in modern Trek can suck it. From "Trials and Tribulations" to "In a Mirror Darkly" to "The Bounty" the original Enterprise continues to be represented as the Enterprise that the people who inhabit this universe know. Now there's no more excuses. It was nice seeing the Enterprise A as well. Even Voyager didn't look out of place.

    I could have sworn I saw a projection of a skeleton that underneath said James Kirk. I also could have sworn I saw a Genesis device that Riker passed by, but maybe it was Picard's body, not sure.

    The title of the episode kind of gave it away, but cleaver none the less.

    I'm guessing Lore's personality breaks through and causes trouble next week and then we get Data towards the end.

    Overall, another pretty solid episode. I can't wait for next week.
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    It may not have been the SNW Connie, but it wasn't the Enterprise, it was the USS New Jersey, NCC-1975. Which is Matalas' year and place of birth.

    It WAS the Enterprise-A though.

    Yes, it was Kirk's skeleton and the Genesis Device.
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    Anyone wanna send me their boo, that's coo.
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  23. Diacanu

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    A Disco/SNW Connie was seen as a hologram at Starfleet in season 1.
    Maybe the time tinkering in season 2 fluctuated the Connie design?
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    The text under the image of James T. Kirk has some of his history, that he commanded the Enterprise on a historic mission, some of his commendations. It also mentions he died on Veridian III, the last line says "his body was recovered under(?) Project Phoenix". That's some serious Section 31 shit there. The text is too blurry to read here, but I was able to make out most of it on my TV.

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    And WTF!? The attack Tribble?

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    I'm guessing the DNA in the credits has to do with Jean Luc and Jack both having Irumodic syndrome, the Changelings took Picard's body, not interested in his positronic body, but are interested in Jack.

    Here's the ships (Classes/Names) I was able to make out at the Fleet museum. Some of the names I'm taking from the credits.

    Miranda - Unamed
    Enterprise NX-01 - Unamed
    D7 - Unamed
    Klingon Bird of Prey - Bounty
    Constitution Refit - Enterprise
    Constellation - Stargazer (Guessing here, it was towed by Starfleet in the episode The Battle)
    Constitution - New Jersey
    Akira - Unamed
    Excelsior - Excelsior (Name appears in the credits)
    Defiant - Defiant
    Romulan Bird of Prey - Bounty
    Intrepid - Voyager
    Saber - Unamed
    Nebula - Unamed

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    Not gonna lie, this shot gave me a lump in the throat.

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    Really nice touch playing the theme music to each series when they ships were shown.
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  26. Nova

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    In my head, the TOS/Cage connie preceded the one in SNW, which is actually a refit (notwithstanding that we see it "a decade later" in TOS. Sometime between Talos and Discovery there was a refit. The one before TMP would have been the second refit, helps account for the same basic ship being in service 40 years when so many others don't seem to be.

    I suppose someone will now need to write a story about the great adventure that took place involving the NCC-1975 sometime during the 2250's. Maybe it was instrumental in that Axnar treaty stuff?
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    So I guess it's not like BSG FTL jumps. You can just cook off that warp bubble next to anything without harming it.

    one of my little nitpick annoyances for a long time now, in TMP the idea was that you don't go to warp inside a star system (which is probably too far in the other direction) and now they basically drop out of warp 2 feet from a fresh egg with full confidence they won't break it. I don't care for it, give me an approach on impulse unless the crisis of the moment demands risky business with the warp.
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    My one takeaway from this episode wasn't actually anything to do with the plot, or the easter eggs, or the great material they are writing for Worf (!)...

    It's that all of Hollywood has dropped the ball in massive fashion that no one has cast Levar Burton in some premium drama series in a key role. His acting in this episode may be the best work of anyone who's appeared in any episode of Picard.

    I want more. Some things outside of Star Trek that really gets to let him show out.
    (I had always classified him as a perfectly fine actor but I have never expected to have this much praise for him)
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  29. Nova

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    By the way, Enterprises ranked:

    1. TMP refit
    2. SNW refit (imo a refit, see above)
    3. Enterprise E
    4. Connie
    5. Enterprise B
    6. Enterprise C
    7. Enterprise D (I know the for the 70's-80's kids it's a sentimental fave, like the Connie is for my generation, but...oof)
    8. Enterprise F (don't like the enlogated primary on an Enterprise, fine on other models like Voyager)
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    -Vadiq must be a Firefly fan. At the very least, she definitely watched Serenity. :async:

    -The Defiant? You mean the Sao Paulo, which was renamed Defiant and given to Sisko just in time for the very last battle of the Dominion War. It never even had a cloaking device. Sad!

    -Irumodic syndrome, huh? Lame. First off, Bev never bothered to do a proper scan of Jack to check for that, not even as a fetus or a baby or at any time, despite knowing full well who his father is? Also, in case you haven't watched All Good Things in a while, Picards Irumodic syndrome was the result of "a small structural defect in his parietal lobe that could lead to a number of neurological disorders, including Irumodic Syndrome." Or are these sorts of structural defects genetic? Is that why his mother was like that? :chris:

    -While we're on the subject, one thing that bothered me about the end of season one was the idea that Picard's brain was so messed up that it killed him, but that Soong was still able to transfer his mind/consciousness into a synth body so perfectly that everyone (even Q) regards the synth as the real Jean Luc Picard. You'd think his brain failing so catastrophically would effect the quality of whatever mental copy they were able to make from his corpse.

    -Weird that Altan Soong couldn't build another golem in time to save himself, since he'd already figured out how to build one.

    -Those scenes at the fleet museum felt like they took much, much longer than an hour.

    -Considering the diplomatic shitstorm we saw in IV over Kirk stealing the Bounty in III, I'm surprised it was never returned to the Empire or destroyed as a goodwill gesture. I could see the TNG Klingons agreeing that the ship was a trophy/spoils of war that Kirk had rightfully earned in honourable battle, but I can't see TOS Klingons letting that go.

    -It'd be hilarious if Bill Shatner came back as Kirk and took over the last episode of PIC upstaging all the series regulars, just so Frakes and Sirtis can feel what it's like to be on the receiving end of it. :borg:

    -What kind of highly classified facility has all their highly classified shit labelled and out on display like that? Idiots.
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