Star Trek: Picard.

Fans had a virtual Enterprise that you could tour, you could even walk on the outside and Paramount made them take it down. They had one for DS9 too.

https://time.com/6318023/patrick-stewart-making-it-so-excerpt-picard/

From Stewart's autobiography, where he discusses Picard.

Oh, fuck. Looks like a Picard movie may be in the cards.

I've often gone back (mostly on Youtube) to watch a few key scenes from the final episode of Picard. The fan service runs deep, but the shot of the Enterprise-D drifting in to rescue the gang from the Borg cube never ceases to tickle my inner Trekkie. And the scene with Seven, Tuvok and holo Shaw is probably one of the top ten emotional moments in Trek history.

But other than that final episode, most of Picard was a hot mess. I'm glad it's over.

I will drive to Burbank and kick Alex Kurtzman in the dick personally if we get any more TNG content

Let it die.

Yep; let it be about Seven, Jack, Sidney, and Kestra on the Ent-G now.
PIC S3 was their "Undiscovered Country".
At the time of UC, Shatner was like "no!! One more! One more!" and they slapped him on the hand.
Learn the lesson, Patrick!

Honestly, as much as Jeri Ryan deserves to step out of the catsuit-shaped shadow of Bermaga, I don't even want this either. Let us see a whole new ship outside of the Enterprise, a whole new cast with zero ties to pre-existing characters and a whole new concept besides "more ships in space."

Ira Steven Behr was exactly right not to cave to TNG stans and made the story that he wanted to tell rather than continue to pander to what fanboys think they wanted and both DS9 and the franchise as a whole were better off for it. It's too bad the other live action shows to follow didn't get the memo.

Well, they tried that with Discovery, and look at all the blood-shitting there's been.


Course, I remember the blood-shitting over DS9 back in the day that everyone's conveniently amnesia-pilled away.
Back then they had the guts to tell hate-nerds "die angry, we're doing this".

To be fair, DS9 got to do what they did because Paramount was too busy gassing up their new baby network UPN and Berman put his energy into draining the life outta Voyager to fuck with DS9 too much.

But yeah, all the recent cries that "Picard S33 saved Trek!" or "SNW revived the franchise!" before that proves to me is that fans who shat on every other iteration of Classic Trek before this are absolutely full of shit. Can anyone tell me with a straight face that SNW is taking any bigger risks than VOY did? Hell, MAYWEATHER had more story than Ortegas has gotten.

We all owe @Lt. Mewa an apology for shitting on him over Voyager.

"Ships in space" works because you can have an entirely new setting each week. Hell, even DS9 eventually brought in runabouts and the Defiant.

Also, I'd love to see a Captain Seven series. I never liked the character much on VOY (to be fair I didn't like VOY anyway, just not with the same intense white-hot hate I have for ENT). But Jeri Ryan has shown her acting chops and I think she ended up being the only main character from Picard that I actually liked.

Captain Shaw and the USS Titan also deserve their own series, but the dumbass writers on Picard killed one of the more interesting captains to come along in a while. And, of course, they changed the Titan to the Enterprise-K (or whatever fucking letter they're up to).

I've been rewatching Voyager, currently in season 2, and it's actually kinda good for the most part. I just watched that really horny episode where Kes goes through puberty and wants to have a baby with Neelix, Chakotay starts drooling over Janeway, Voyager gets fucked by some space raviolis, and Ensign Wildman announces she is pregnant.

It's honestly not as bad as I remember.

Also I have a sinus infection

Sure they are.

-Actual blind actor in the main cast portraying a blind (but not disabled, that's just how his species is) character for an entire season, no other series has done so much for disability representation.

-That same character in the main cast dies at the end of the first season in a meaningful, pre-planned way that effects the characters moving forward.

-There's an episode that ends with the reveal that a little kid is going to be painfully tortured for the rest of his life for the benefit of his species, and when Pike finds out he just leaves. No happy ending, no last minute rescue, no comeuppance for the aliens, just sadness all around.

-They're letting Spock do weird young person shit that gives uptight viewers seizures.

-They added Carol Kane, a 70 year old comedic actress, to the main cast. Not a 20something underwear model one of the producers was fucking, but Carol Kane.

-The Lower Decks crossover was delightful.

-The musical episode was... I found it meh, but I appreciate that they committed to the bit. Voyager refused to commit to the bit. BRIDE OF CHAOTICA and Flashback would have been so much better if the writers hadn't keep interrupting the good stuff to keep saying "boy, this sure is silly and beneath us, eh?"

-They did a full-on courtroom episode that was a thinly veiled metaphor for gay rights or trans rights depending who you ask, in 2023. And they let a guest star do all the heroic lawyer speechifying instead of having the captain do it.

-The Balance of Terror remake might have had a plot hole or two, but the idea that the future is worse off if our main protagonist is still the captain of the Enterprise is pretty wild. You never saw an episode suggesting things would be better if Kirk/Picard/Janeway/Archer retired and let someone else take the chair.

-M'Benga killed a guy! Maybe in self defense, maybe in cold blood. And it was awesome.

Yeah... Melissa Navia's partner died of cancer three days after being diagnosed back in 2021, so they've intentionally been going easy on her for the most part. But even then, they've still been fleshing out the character, mostly by making her kind of a racist. And if you ask Federal Farmer, she's also undermining and emasculating all the male characters on the show every time she opens her mouth, so that's pretty impressive.

Ah, I think I found the problem.
Either rewatching Voy triggered the sinus infection, or the sinus infection is making Voy watchable. Or both via feedback loop

It's a secondary infection from Neelix's cheese.

I wouldn't mind if they found a way to work Soji and that Romulan swordsman (maybe) into the young generation, but yeah, no holdovers from TNG

I smell a Kickstarter for a reality show! Who's with me?

Seems a bit hyperbolic... Ortegas gets more lines in most episodes than Mayweather did in a season.
Other than her filling in that one guy's role in BoT though, when has she ever come across as a bigot?

In Under The Cloak Of War she was racist against Klingons and Rah in particular when she had no reason to not believe his sincerity, in Ad Astra Per Aspera she was racist against Vulcans when she assumed Spock was being friendly with Pasalk instead of noticing the tension between them like M'Benga did. In Amok Spock she tells Chapel she once dated a Vulcan and has lirpa scars to prove it, which is either an ethnic joke or a true story, but probably a joke since she can't seem to read Vulcan body language. She's not Space Hitler or anything, she's more in the middle ground between someone like McCoy that says racist shit to Spock endlessly, and someone like Kirk that just laughs and allows McCoy to say it on his bridge.

First one, yeah... fair enough... Not Kirk level hate for Klingons, but agreed she has a beef. Otherwise I think we're still a few degrees below black on the right side face...

Oh yeah, like I said, it's not even McCoy level racism towards Vulcans. But it's there, at what I'd say are more or less era-appropriate levels for a crew that idolizes the NX Enterprise.

It's worth noting that Ortegas seemingly had nothing to say about Pike and Batel remaining civil towards one another in public, only about Spock and Pasalk. And Pasalk was a JAG Admiral, while Spock was a lieutenant that just avoided being prosecuted for stealing the Enterprise. And it's not like she or anyone else approached Pasalk to tell him off to his face. But Spock's the bad guy for appearing to be polite?

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/t...star-trek-next-generation-set-1235603395/amp/

Another of Stewart's anecdotes about filming TNG, in which he comes off... poorly.

In season 1 of Enterprise, there was at least a Travis-centric episode and we had at least some backstory about who he was and some inkling of his character, even if it was largely underdeveloped or reversed. He was the person who had logged more space time than most of the crew and felt more comfortable on ships than on planets.

Through two seasons of SNW, we know Ortegas is snarky and she's buds with Chapel and she likes to fly and is good at it. That and the past relationship with a Vulcan and that she served in the Klingon war is about it. Even though she's a better character by far than Mayweather (no doubt at least in part due to the relative skill of the actors), Ortegas has so far gotten less love than Travis.

I dunno, Travis certainly had his page from the series bible info-dumped onscreen a few times, but Ortegas has a "voice." Like if I read a bad SNW script written by a hack, I'd feel comfortable saying "Ortegas doesn't talk like that. Ortegas wouldn't act like that." I can say that about a lot of DS9 characters, maybe half the Voyager characters, a couple TNG characters, and some Discovery characters, but I absolutely cannot say that about Mayweather.

(One of my favourite surprises from the Voyager relaunch novels was an unexpected appearance from Garak. They didn't even name him right away, but just reading the characters dialogue I could hear Andrew Robinson's voice in my head. Because Garak is a character that was written with love.)

I think a large part of that comes back to Anthony Montgomery being more of a male model than an actor and the Enterprise writers being not as good as the SNW writers.

Ortegas undoubtedly feels more like a 3D person than Mayweather but we haven't gotten to really know her.

yeah... I think Melissa has been telegraphing the character's traits pretty well in her/their (I caught a recent article with MN identifying as GF/NB) portrayal.

We can catch that there's trauma Ortegas is trying to build back from in that cavalier and occasionally indelicate snark. A broken person doing their damnedest to see herself as "normal" again.

Likely family estrangement as she never mentions them... pretty sure we've heard about everyone else's kin.

There's a bit of an ideal daddy issue with Pike. He's a safe person to her and she does her damnedest to impress him.

Patrick Stewart Says a Picard Star Trek Movie Is in the Works

From the article:

"But he [Patrick Stewart] also went on to state that maybe a movie could be his true farewell"

Jesus Christ, Pat. How many farewells do you need?

Patrick Stewart needs to move on.

Star Trek is not about Picard. His part in the story is over.

‘All Good Things’ was a great ending. The TNG movies were a mixed bag.

The Picard show was fucking awful except for the third season.

And even then only managed to be decent because it ignored most of the previous season and threw in tons of nostalgia and fan service.

It was ‘TNGs Greatest Hits Re-Mixed’ with a secondary story pulled straight out of Wrath of Khan.

People like it for the same reason they like The Force Awakens or Ghostbusters Afterlife.

Its all just nostalgia at this point. No new ideas, just a regurgitation of memorable moments from our younger days.

I'd argue that it was predominantly the fan service and nostalgia that carried the season and it will age even more poorly than ENT when all's said and done.

PIC has long replaced VOY as the worst entry in the franchise but I can at least respect the first two seasons for trying to do and say something new, even if the execution was absolute pig slop. S3 was just a complete sellout maneuver.

But then, I'm in the extreme minority in fandom for thinking this and S3 made TNG fans happy to get the redo on Nemesis, and there's no reason to risk fucking that up with yet another movie. What is there to cover? The Romulans are more endangered than the California condor, the Borg have been neutered...I genuinely can't recall any other villains that would get butts in seats, honestly.

Even TNG fanboys have been saying no more.

Picard is not worse than STD.