Star Trek: Picard.

Well, I just finished Season 3, and damn, that was satisfying.

I like that by the final season, the writers were totally unashamed to do blatant fanservice. They knew that their core audience was TNG fans, and they knew what that audience would want.

The whole gang back together. The Enterprise D. Bringing back, however briefly, characters like Shelby and Ro. The poker game, the crane shot, and Jerry Goldsmith's theme.

Improbable? A stretch? Sure, but I don't care.

“Bread and Circuses”(one my personal favorites )Kirk doesn’t break the prime directive, the prime directive had already been broken by Marrick. Kirk tries to fix the situation. This is a common theme in TOS.

Other great musical references:

- The Blaster Beam that TMP used for V'Ger being repurposed for Vadic's ship.

- The use of Jerry Goldsmith's Klingon motif from TMP every time there was a badass Worf reveal.

- The written music that appears during the credits? At first I thought it might be the First Contact theme, because I'm not great at sightreading and it begins with a perfect fourth, which is also how the most recognizable part of that theme begins ... but it's actually "Pop Goes the Weasel."

Kirk definitely obeyed rules...until he didn't.

Perhaps it was more featured in the movies:

Wrath of Khan gave us:
1. Cheated to pass the Kobayashi Maru
2. Ignoring the protocols that let Khan catch him unawares

Search for Spock gave us: The word is no. I'm therefore going anyways

Like pretty much any Starfleet captain worth a damn, Kirk probably violated the Prime Directive a dozen times.

Have you ever complained about the speechifying Picard, Kirk, or any captain/central character in Trek has done? And one has to concede that every central character in Trek has had their share of speechifying. Or is it that you think Burnham cries more often than the rest and therefore it's less acceptable? Or is it annoying when Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway and Archer speechify and weep, but the rest of those shows are so much better written than Discovery that it doesn't matter as much?

The Goldsmith Klingon theme was Worf's theme in FC too.

The charitable description is that Burman's story is one of a "Golden Child" who royally fucked up, lost her status entirely and then was bounced around from one trauma to another involving most of the people she cared about but more or less accidentally got to have a savior moment anyway... and came out on the other side having found some peace and balance.

What's not said on screen but I think logically fits, is that her time with book when she thought she was the only one that made it involved a whole lot of self examination and growth.

Personally, I'd rather find a positive take on the characters as something to shit on. Hell, I mostly liked Voyager characters and I gave up on that show completely because the stories just weren't interesting to me. I don't really need to catalog in my head why, say, Tom Paris was a shit person or whatever.

She's the lead character, so yes, she's meant to be. Show revolves around her.

Someone who's a mess isn't necessarily a bad person, I certainly was aiming to project that sentiment for Burnham, just that it's no wonder she's the emotional equivalent of an isotope with a half-life measured in nanoseconds.

I stopped watching Disco because it's disaster porn, and when they jumped to the future, the writers were so eager to jump back to the status quo it may as well been renamed Star Trek: Flagshaggers

Star Treks biggest issue at the moment is, that for a show set in the future, much of it's fandom is so firmly stuck in the past, and the shows are happy to cater to that.

Nope. Never ever. Clearly I am a bigot or something.

Of the ass.

You're sadly right.

It's one thing for a gag series like LD to play off of that, but even that show isn't afraid to do something new every once in a while and frankly shines a whole lot better when it does.

Prodigy sprinkles enough TNG/VOY to fix it in the canon, but otherwise, it's all new stuff.

Yeah, but Murica hates kids animation though

Earlier in this thread I posted that the DNA strands also had something to do with the plot of season 3 along with other parts of the credits. Clues and references were in the entire credits.

I'd love an adult hand-drawn hyper detailed anime Trek in the style of Akira or Ghost In The Shell.
It would take for fucking ever, and cost Endgame money in today's dollars, but by God it would be beautiful.

I mean, we've all watched trek, right?

gotta dig through shit to get to the corn, even in the good episodes

ever since the future jump it's been nuAndromeda.
it's not bad, it just no longer matters.

Well, we don't know how season 5 is going to mate up to "Calypso".
The Disco crew vanishes, and they go somewhere, or somewhen.
If it's a somewhen, it could count towards the-canon-as-we-know-it.

I didn't say you were a bigot. I just asked if you had complained about speechifying or weeping from other characters in Trek. As far as I can tell from searching Media Central, you haven't.

In fact, in one post you conceded that speechifying was common in Trek, but you didn't like it when Burnham does it because of "her wet-eyed guilt trip face."

Star Trek Discovery. [SPOILERS WITHIN]

To someone allegedly immune to guilt trips, they sure bother the fuck out of him.
Enough so, he imagines them everywhere.

My vote is for Arcane's animation style. Magnificent to look at and not so "cartoony" that it's not suited to Star Trek.

Not unheard of.
Turns out bunch of the CVN-65 Enterprise is being recycled into the CVN-80 Enterprise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(CVN-65)#Decommissioning
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(CVN-80)

Ugh, I'm finally getting around to watching the rest of the last season of Discovery, and they've got an episode with a proper changeling doing proper changeling things. So much better than what we got on Picard.

Also there's a line about there having been no contact with the Q Continuum in 600 years, which was... interesting.

Delancie Q was the only one who loved us (humans).

This is getting awfully messianic.

Indeed.

We've probably had 400 or so more episodes than we ever needed.

If you take the sum total of Trek, there's a concerningly large pile of absolute TRASH, a colossal mountain of average / mediocre, a small but respectable mound of great and a handful of certifiable masterpieces (Sorry to the "whatever new Trek I just watched is 10/10" mashers over at TrekBBS).

Take a Trip Through Picard's Rebuilt Enterprise in These Amazing Virtual Sets

Jonathan Frakes Wants to Be the Charlie's Angels of Rikers If a Picard Sequel Happens

There's a featurette on the blu-ray.
That back wall of LCARS screens are finally real LCDs.
The bootup/bootdown effect of the LCARS isn't CG insert, it's real.

Also, they made the pull-out chairs on the wall functional.
They almost skipped it, but at the last minute, they were like "fuck it, if we're gonna do this, let's do it right".
Sure enough, when the cast came on the set, Levar ran right over, and pulled his chair out.