5-not specifically federation territory - actually inferred to be out of UFP influence due to Fenris Rangers. Certainly no lack of anything on Freecloud-seems mostly a service and "information" economy there anyway Come to think of it, was there anything other than barter going on? I missed if Rios paid for his drink? Have to wonder about the circumstances of Raffi's discharge now. Did she go rogue?
Well.... that was the most gruesome opening to any Star Trek ever. In First Contact we saw Picard's eye starting to get poked. This episode, full eye gouging and yanking out. I loved the "I didn't get one" when everyone else got a personalized hologram. Picard was awesome playing the sleazy French evil guy. Rio realizing that Seven was going to go back and get her revenge, and providing her with the transport enhancer was great. And yeah, she's not dead. I also got the feeling that she was a Betazoid. Good to see the Quark made it big from his bar on DS9.
He owned the bar they were in the big reptilian guy mentioned that Rios was instrumental in Quarks deal with the Breen.
Other thoughts... It's all getting very dystopian and Blade Runner. The frequent mention of money, corporations and the like would seem to undermine much of what we've been told about the Federation before now. Seven of Nine's story was pretty great stuff and Jeri Ryan gave a terrific performance. I did not see that coming from Jurati. Once again - the explanation of who or what is behind all of this has a lot resting on it.
I liked the Raffi story too. Michelle Hurd, the actress is 53 years old believe it or not. That's what I meant when I said she is aging like a fine wine.
We, the viewers knew. The characters were only speculating based on Jurati's one line about Maddox creating them in pairs. Now they know. We, the viewers knew. The characters, obviously, would not and did not. They would have no reason to think that at all. We, the viewers, may have suspected but did not know. In fact, we viewers didn't know for certain until she was looking down on Maddox in the bio-bed, and the music changed to something quite sinister. Of course, I do have a gripe about this. The EMH should be telling Captain Rios about this right now. There should be no covering up Jurati's murder on an automated ship filled with sensors, scanners, and holograms. In fact, she shouldn't have been able to kill Maddox at all unless Rios has changed some settings which may have been hinted at the first time we met him. Finally, I only watched it casually, but I didn't see Jurati in next week's preview. They have to do something. I doubt Picard will let Rios airlock her, but something has to be addressed. If they don't, it's going to leave a problem for me. I thought that was all handled well. I also noticed "Mr. Mot's Hair Emporium" and "Quark's Bar." Me too. I like this Seven. I would have liked for her to stay around. I felt like that was a beautiful moment that was equally beautifully acted. A lot of character in that one shot. I knew he was dead as soon as the musical cue changed when they were talking. I suspected something was amiss, but we had no proof. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if it was all a curveball. We don't know the contents of her conversation with Commodore Oh. Her dialogue during the murder would indicate that, perhaps, Commodore Oh showed her something she didn't want to see and that's why she was going to see Picard, to tell him to drop the whole quest. I wondered that myself. I need to go look it up.
That was not the same actor who played Maddox on TNG. Also, that was not the same actor that played Icheb on VOY. Not sure why they couldn’t get the original actors but since the characters are both dead now I guess it doesn’t matter. I also initially thought the Bejazyl chick was Marina Sirtis. Then we got a better look at her body and I realized it had to be some younger actress. Marina had a fantastic body back in the day but she’s a lot older now, shit happens. I suspect the actress is also of some Greek/Persian origin. Missed the Quark reference. Nice seeing Jeri Ryan again, hopefully she can at least be a recurring character. Especially if we are gonna get into more Borg storylines... no one knows more about the Borg than her. I, too, hope we aren’t getting a reveal that Romulans created the Borg. That would make no fucking sense. The Borg have been around for thousands of years and they originated in the Delta Quadrant. Seems like we are seeing a lot of coincidences on this show. Raffi accompanies Picard to Freecloud where her estranged son happens to be? We pick up Seven of Nine and in the next episode travel to Freecloud where her enemy/former partner happens to be? On this episode of ‘Everybody Hates Picard’ another character chews him out for his action/lack of action. Ok we get it.
This. Zactly. She shouldn't have even been able to whack Maddox with that EMH program there and her not having any kind of command authority aboard the ship. I do believe Captain Rios might be liable under UFP law.
Meh. Raffi saw Picard was heading somewhere she wanted to go anyway and hitched a ride she probably couldn't afford normally. Seven was presumably playing Picard from the start, she was likely looking for someone to get her close enough to her target for some time. I can't believe an ancient Romulan ship could critically damage any vessel Seven of Nine had a chance to tinker with, unless Seven wished it so.
This. I didn't like Seven of Boobs in Voyager. At all. But I liked Seven of Nine in this series. Sucks that she's not going to be a regular. That scene took me right of the moment. Beyond stupid. There should be no way an EMH can be dismissed when a patient is in distress. The next episode better have a good explanation.
Picard-era holograms don't seem to be anywhere near as autonomous or arguably sentient as The Doctor or Vic Fontaine. The Rios EMH can't even stop a passenger with no special authorizations from turning him off, even in the middle of a medical emergency. I'm guessing that they're only still aroind because they got nerfed so hard. But cleary there's some super secret extremely serious reason why Synths specifically can't be allowed to exist, which was enough to turn even Jurati against Maddox.
Hmm. That might be a logical turn, if the show-writers were to incorporate it: Holographic assistants and their capabilities have been highly curtailed as a result of the laws against synths. That would be one explanation.
And BTW... the mad doctor, she sounded hot. And she is. In her first role, she played Casey Poe in Con Air.
Okay watched eipsode five..... I don't care that they didn't get the original actors to play Icheb and Maddox. Would have been nice but it wasn't necessary. My first thought in episode 4 when Dr. Jurati showed up and shot the Romulan in the back was that she was either in on a plot from the start or the meeting with Commodore Sunglasses either coerced or convinced her to join up. Episode five proved she joined the team. Reluctantly. Clearly she didn't want to kill Maddox but she still did. (dammit I see I was already beat to the Commodore Sunglasses thing) I still thought Bedazzle was Marina Sirtis even though I knew beforehand it wasn't her. Wanted 7of9 to stay and be part of the show because let's face it these characters are kinda bland. Even Picard. It was cool watching someone disintegrate. Finally. @Paladin : "5. Financial institutions, jobs, corporations...seems less and less like some post-scarcity Utopia." Don't forget that flying to the Artifact doubles Captain Rios fee! Liked Freecloud but if those hologram ads popped up on my ship I might drop a spread of photon torpedeos on the planet. "Hey don't get mad at me. The holo-ads got in the way and I hit the wrong button." The outfits and the whole facers thing was just dumb. Hideously dumb. @Elwood : "Of course, I do have a gripe about this. The EMH should be telling Captain Rios about this right now. There should be no covering up Jurati's murder on an automated ship filled with sensors, scanners, and holograms. In fact, she shouldn't have been able to kill Maddox at all unless Rios has changed some settings which may have been hinted at the first time we met him." Agreed. At the very least the EMH should have immediately gone to Rios and told him what was happening. Clearly the EMH can activate on its own and as it was a medical emergency the EMH could just tell Rios. To me the guys at Red Letter Media when they predicted that the Romulans made the Borg were just being sarcastic. I'm really hoping that we aren't going to find out the Romulans and/or the Federation created the Borg either on purpose or by accident and had a time travel incident as well to drop the Borg in the past. Or that the Romulans upon leaving Vulcan created the Borg and lost control of it and somehow dropped it into the Delta Quadrant. That would just be the worst.
I get the impression that the EMH is activated whenever the the ships computer detects vital signs outside certain parameters coming from someone on on the ship. That's no different from a ship going to red alert under certain conditions and automatically powering up shields and weapons.
Yeah. And clearly Maddox and Juarti are experiencing vital signs outside certain parameters and the EMH should have been able to notify Rios.
The Memba Berry Punch is strong with this crowd. If this were any other show, you guys would have realized it was shit from day one. I just don't get how any of you can think Episode 5 is any good. The Maddox reveal was shit. I mean, maybe if they had not shown where soji was like every 5 mins, then the reveal that she's on a Borg cube might have been meaningful. So it looks like Maddox showed up for 30 seconds told the crew something we knew already and died. Where is the drama in that? Where is the obstacle in that? Anyway, Maddox probably isn't dead. Either we saw an android double die, or he's got an android double out there.
There is one cool thing about the dead gangster lady and that's the fact they actually killed her in the episode. How many shows let a "boss" like her manage to escape death just in case they want to bring her back in the future. Not this one. You can't even reanimate her.
In the original cut of the pilot episode of Justified, the antagonist Boyd Crowder (Walton Goggins) was shot dead by the protagonist at the end. But test audiences liked the character so much, the producers signed Goggins on as a regular and hastily filmed a scene of his still-living character being loaded into an ambulance to insert at the end of the episode. Eh...couldn't do that in this case. Gangster lady is well and truly dead.
You keep using this in a derogatory manner and I have no clue what you mean. Could you explain? I quite liked it. That short bit before Seven beams back down is easily on par with some of the best intimate moments on TNG or DS9.
