Stop the torture of Bradley Manning

Nope......

Breakfast: Oatmeal that looks like puke, single egg that looks like a rubber toy you'd find in a kids toy oven, a single piece of white bread and a milk that is just days short of turning into a solid.

Lunch: Two bologna sandwiches and juice. Juice usually being colored water with some sugar thrown in.

Dinner: Meat (cardboard meatloaf, cardboard chicken, cardboard meatballs, undercooked hotdogs), pasta, thin and watery gravy, single piece of white bread (except on hot dog day when they get two), a vegetable, a fruit or stale looking cookies. Plus the bug juice.

Certainly no tea. If an inmate wants tea they have to buy it from commissary. I'm actually surprised they just don't do away with the sugar water and give them straight water.

I don't know how much we get per inmate but I do know they get very little in the way of food.

We do give ketchup, syrup and jam here and there depending on the meal but it's all the cheap cheap crap that not even Wal Mart would touch with a ten foot pole.

Salt and Pepper have to be bought by the inmates.

Thanks, Elwood. I would have been disappointed if someone hadn't given me a for that one, if not a

I mean, what's the point in trolling your friends if they don't react?

Back when the City had it's own jail, the food wasn't that bad. We had one ancient CO that liked to teach the trustees to cook. I would always go down there in the morning and drink the coffee. They actually had some decent food and I'd eat down there for lunch a couple days a month.

The County has always been bad though and going to a Metro jail system hasn't helped.

Edit: I've made some food in the City jail before. We had one regular that was a pain in the ass for everyone but me. I figured out how to make him behave. If he'd come peacefully with me, when we got to the jail and done with the booking process, I'd make or have someone make him a mustard and onion sandwich on toast.

Do you have any idea how many times I've been standing in a jail kitchen at 0200 making a mustard and onion sandwich?

You disappoint me, Async.

I always gave you credit for being knowledgeable about the Constitution to know that cruel and unusual punishment is illegal.

You too, Elwood.

That's what he wanted.

Making a sandwich was a lot better than getting into a fight with him, which is what happened to everyone else.

Any guesses at how they arrive at that number? A suicide bomber blows himself up at a checkpoint.....20 people die...add that to the total.
If they say 834 innocent people were accidentally shot by the US Military at checkpoints I'd call shenanigans of the highest degree.
No fucking way possible.

Also, was it always good to be totally "transparent" to God + everybody or just these days? Should we have broadcast (in German + Japanese) every detail of every military operation of WWII? Truth be told, the war would have ended sooner, except America + Britain would be speaking German + Japanese. But that's okay, there are no "good guys" + "bad guys" right?

They do say that, although the "accidental" bit is questionable. It's all there in their own records. What you (a participant in these crimes) "call" is irrelevant.

Strawman, as much this time as the previous four million.

See there? If you'd just simply gotten Meals-on-Wheels to take him an onion and mustard sandwich every day, you could have reformed him and ended his criminal career.

You gotta start thinking more like Andy Griffith.

Indeed you are. Good of you to finally admit it.

Thank you, that's all I was asking for. While there certainly could be a connection with him being bullied for being gay, all I see is a bunch of speculation. Not denying it's a possibility, but I'll go with what Manning has said, rather than the talking heads. He gave his reasons for the leak to his alleged "former gay lover" in private before this whole thing exploded:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/12/14/manning/index.html

Again, not denying there could be a connection between his views on DADT, but I'd rather believe what he said in private to someone he trusted rather than talking heads. And even if DADT was part of his motivation, it goes to show why it's a good thing we're repealing it.

Repealing DADT is not the issue; Bradley Manning's treason is.

Hey Oldfella - didn't know you were participating in crimes, did ya?

Apparently for people like Dick and Timmy, it is torture to keep this guy confined while he awaits trial.

I will give Rick credit for "walking the walk" on transparency. His desparate cry to be taken seriously is obvious to everyone. Sorry Rick, but you can't "bullshit a bullshitter" as we say in the military. Not to brag, but my 22+ years kind of blows away your zero minutes in the military by more than a little bit. I actually know how the military works......you just think you know, based on (hmmm.....how do you say) anecdotal evidence.

Sorry, Charlie...I just don't believe over 800 totally innocent people were killed by US forces at checkpoints. Here's why......that would be over 800 court martials for the same offence. You're not going to cover that up - trust me. We gossip like a bunch of old women at a quilting bee. No fucking way 800 murders would be covered up....that's just not going to happen. Were these soldiers who witnessed these killings under a "gag order?" Newsflash Rick.......none of us give a shit about a "gag order."

You tell a US soldier not to talk about something he saw- he'll talk even louder. Do we put everything on Youtube? No way...we won't discuss anything that really matters, like secure tactics or plans.

But if the average Joe saw someone deliberately kill a civilian, that shit would spread like wildfire. And The media would on it like stink on shit.

Hell, The Army Times would be all over their asses! Yes, Rick.....some of us can read + write! The Stars + Stripes and The Army Times will air your dirty laundry in a New York minute. The Army Times especially leans towards "tabloid" sensationalism, and any major crimes (murder, robbery, rape, child pornography, etc.) will be on the front page - you can bank on it. Not one fucking thing a soldier does will not be exposed by The Army Times.

Nobody censors the news. Specific details of military operations? Who wants to read that boring shit anyway? But killing civilians at checkpoints would spread so fucking fast your head would spin.

So Rick......you're out of your league in experience, credibility, and old fashioned common sense. But keep on whining.....it's great drama.

^Why should we believe you, a participant in these crimes?

Rick got pwn3d.

Must be a day ending in "y".

How did Ray and Mike get in the picture?

HA! You got me. I can run no longer...here are my crimes:

1. stealing building materials from other military units.
We were poised to roll into combat.......they were not. They had the luxury of working through normal supply channels - we did not. Fuck em' - they got over it. They could just steal from the newly arrived units when they had to go to war.

2. eating "humanitarian" MRE's designed for prisoners. Hey, I was sick of our MRE's...I wanted figs, raisins, lentils, etc. I gave them American MRE's, so that evened things up. Hopefully they had a BM after all these years.

3. trying to get some "quality time" with that that one hot lady. She knows who I'm talking about - we're only human after all. It didn't work out because our commander got replaced a few days prior and I didn't trust that new guy to cover for me - but I had the opportunity at least, I just didn't take it because my "gut instinct" said my career could be jeopardized, and I chose dollar signes over amore.....but I digress.
I know I'll "tap that ass" eventually, so what's the hurry?

4. Being rude to my room-mate. He had his problems, but who am I to judge? If it's any consolation, his wife is smoking hot so my being a dick affects him not at all.

Bottom line.... this guy isn't being mistreated. With as public as this case is even the US government wouldn't be stupid enough to mistreat this guy.

No, no......you have it all wrong! The Army is all-powerful and our citizens live in fear of their capabilities. We are afraid of speaking the truth, lest we get sent to the FIMA camps out in the boondocks. :i:

Then why bring it up?

Because it's a discussion board and Manning's motives are germane to the issue.

You are making the assumption that the guy is guilty. I would not go that far until I see some kind of proof. The thing is about the military, when something goes wrong they absolutely have to blame an individual and its usually someone from the enlisted ranks. If the guy is guilty, hang his ass. If they are trying to force a confession out of him then that is in violation of Article 32. Even accused military people have rights and he should have his day in court.

Yeah, and I posted what his actual, admitted motives were. DADT as his motivation is all pundit/blog speculation.

Actually they are Manning's opinions. I'd trust him on what his motivations are more than any of the talking heads trying to fill airtime on the news.