Strike!

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Chris, Sep 14, 2007.

  1. Chris

    Chris Cosmic Horror

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    I'm glad someone finally said it.
     
  2. Sean the Puritan

    Sean the Puritan Endut! Hoch Hech!

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    Err pretty much everyone said that. Asyncritus just said it pretty.
     
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  3. RickDeckard

    RickDeckard Socialist

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    Awwww....

    Are we all still defending the helpless multinational corporation from the terrible injustices that are being inflicted on it by the tyrannical workforce?

    :lol:
     
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  4. Chris

    Chris Cosmic Horror

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    Eh. Our pay and benefits (which mind you, other non-union companies get) make up for their horseshit.

    The problem in question is that the company has offered nothing in return for it's demands (in regards to the prior contract), which doesn't matter to the crowd here because unionized labor is "evil".

    Though I have to say, I do respect UA. I figure he's about the only one of you who'd stick to his principles.
     
  5. RickDeckard

    RickDeckard Socialist

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    The union should take control of the company as far as I'm concerned. You shouldn't be grovelling for them to give you some returns for their "demands" at a time when they're making record profits.
     
  6. Chris

    Chris Cosmic Horror

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    And it's not that I don't disagree with them, it's that I don't care.

    Does that make me evil? Probably. But at least I own up to it. :diablo:
     
  7. Caboose

    Caboose ....

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    The rest of us were just trying to spare your feelings. ;)
     
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  8. Ash

    Ash how 'bout a kiss?

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    Yeah the Unions are great for the industry. Wait . . . for a second I forgot that unions are a haven for lazy asses, crooks, corruption, and shoddy workmanship. Witness GM's wonderful products.
     
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  9. Chris

    Chris Cosmic Horror

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    http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/model/gallery.jsp

    Dis?
     
  10. JUSTLEE

    JUSTLEE The Ancient Starfighter

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    Why don't corporations deserve to be protected against authoritarians who want to do nothing but strip them of all profits and wealth in order to support the poor?
     
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  11. RickDeckard

    RickDeckard Socialist

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    Because corporations don't deserve rights. We've been through that before of course, so I suggest you do a search on one of the innumerable threads I've discussed it in. I don't intend to derail this one.
     
  12. Ash

    Ash how 'bout a kiss?

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    Do scabs deserve rights? Or do they deserve to be physically barred from working and possibly beaten or even killed?
     
  13. JUSTLEE

    JUSTLEE The Ancient Starfighter

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    Obviously the Supreme court disagrees with you and have decided that they deserve to be treated as individuals.

    The case was determined in 1886 in the Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company.
     
  14. Chris

    Chris Cosmic Horror

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    They're legally protected actually (you know, being people and all), in places where they can be hired.

    Legally, there's nothing we can even do. The picket itself is symbolism.
     
  15. RickDeckard

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    Obviously. A heinous decision.
     
  16. JUSTLEE

    JUSTLEE The Ancient Starfighter

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    Says the socialist who says being rich is a crime.
     
  17. Ash

    Ash how 'bout a kiss?

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    The picket itself is intimidation, pure and simple. Don't play coy with me, my little auto worktress.
     
  18. Chris

    Chris Cosmic Horror

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    :rolleyes:
     
  19. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Most of us aren't criticising Chris for being part of a union, but rather as Asynch put it apparently being a self entitled thug.
     
  20. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Yes, roll your eyes. You certainly never said this:

     
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  21. marathon

    marathon Calm Down, Europe...

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    You clearly disagree with it, buy why exactly is it heinous?

    A corporation without rights can't be expected to survive. You can't have a worker's paradise if there's no place to work.
     
  22. RickDeckard

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    A corporation ought to have priviledges when society decides that they should, which it can use to "survive". And there are - or could be - other places to work as well.

    Heinous because rights ought to belong only to actual individual people.
     
  23. Powaqqatsi

    Powaqqatsi Haters gonna hate.

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    I guess you haven't seen a picket line recently... its basically a bunch of dudes standing/sitting around and people giving short honks as they drive by. Oh and a hooker or two usually drops by the line. Not intimidating or charged or anything, its pretty damn sedated.
     
  24. shootER

    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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    Gawd that's an ugly car. :vomit:
     
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  25. Chris

    Chris Cosmic Horror

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    Heretic! Burn! :mob: ;)
     
  26. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Here is the thing though.

    If a corporation has no valid legal standing then it is really just the property of the people that own it (the shareholders)

    If that is the case then that plant is the property of private owners and under their individual legal rights it is wrong to steal it away from them.
     
  27. BearTM

    BearTM Bustin' a move! Deceased Member

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    Typical. Chris puts up a POS as an example of GM quality.
     
  28. The Exception

    The Exception The One Who Will Be Administrator Super Moderator

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    What do you do if an individual has stock in GM and works for GM.
     
  29. LizK

    LizK Sort of lurker

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    And their self interest is to work and that is justification enough for them to cross your picket line
     
  30. Chris

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    Really?

    'Cause all the cool kids love it.