Students' Stage Strip for Teachers; Lesbian Love Romp Ensues!

Oh come off it. That's not porn, nor was it kiddies. 17 and 18 year olds prancing about topless in a country where social nudity is the norm? That's not even porn in this country, just embarrassing to prudes like you. In my state I can legally fuck a 16 year old. How can it be porn for me to see a 17 year old nude?

Can't speak for everyone, but I think your point here is quite valid. It is a distinct issue from whether the video is pornographic, however.

Absolutely, it's wrong for the school to hold the event. But still, the students chose to participate. Would the video be okay if taken at a private party where alcohol rather than school sanction lubricated the peer pressure?

Again, I agree with the distinction of forums, but once the act is done, is it really lewd?

Well, I think there is a cultural disconnect. Now I know cultural relativism is not popular, but it does apply, like it or not. I think it would be entirely inappropriate in the U.S., not so clear to me that it is in Denmark. And I must emphasize that the video in the abstract shows nothing particularly wrong.

Like some stacked, bullshit survey of hairy college feminists fucking proves anything.

Absolutely not. It's a weak will combined with being too fucking lazy to climb your ass out of the champagne jacuzzi.

"Giving in" implies choice, and as long as you have a choice it ain't rape, period. This situation is black and white.

Whether or not it should be considered porn, it could be considered pornography if a prosecutor finds it on your hard drive. We're not talking about pictures of a 16 year old that happen to appear in a nudist camp brochure; we're talking about a video that the vast majority of people just wouldn't bother downloading except for a sexual curiosity factor. If the purpose of possessing the video is sexual arousal, someone's going to be able to find a way to stretch the letter of the law to include it as child pornography.

I too, would not suggest downloading the video.

But this was held in a country where their morals and sensibilites are so much different from here. I'm not sure that this is a really bad thing either because of a couple facts between Denmark and the US. For one, Denmark's teen pregnancy rates are much lower than ours, for two, their teens getting infected with STDs is much lower than ours. Why is this? Mostly because their sex education is 100 times more effective and comprehensive than ours. Their age of consent is quite a bit lower than most states. Their abortion rate is also lower than ours.

Maybe we do have something we can learn from Denmark. And no, that something to learn is not sponsoring high-school stripping events.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong for students to strip in front of teachers in a school sponsored event, but maybe, that we're applying the wrong attitude when it comes to this.

Sure you probably wouldn't be okay with your kids doing this, but what about *danish* parents? Would they send their kids to this school if they had a problem with it? It's an annual event, you'd figure if the parents had problems with it, they'd have removed their kids from the school or told them to not participate.

As I said up above, their age of consent is lower than here, which is probably why this event is permissible to be held. Their society doesn't seem to have the same problems ours does, so we can't start applying what we see happening in the US to what happens in Denmark, as Pacificnic has been trying to.

I also guess I'm going to have to start asking girls I go out with, if begging is off the table, I don't want to get in trouble for rape. >.<

*thanks scruff.

Well if this thread is any evidence, America has not shed it's puritanical roots...

If this happened in a school here, I think people WOULD have been shot over it...I mean, if the Janet Jackson boobie incident causes such an uproar, a full on striptease by 17 yr olds would likely cause aneurysms!

Just so nobody gets the wrong idea, that was supposed to be a neg. I fucked up. Pacificnic, ya got the bear on that one.

Okay, I've been to Denmark, Holland, as well as Norway, and a long stint in Iceland. I also know two Swedish pilots who work at my company that I've flown trips with, and we've talked about these issues. I can say with surety that the standards in those countries is a LOT looser than in America. We DO retain a big puritanical streak, and the way we handle these issues is distinctly inferior to the way they are handled in Scandanavia.

There is a reason the rates of teen pregnancy and such are lower in those countries. Sex isn't a dirty word, and neither is 'condom' or 'birth control' or especially 'sex education.' These topics are handled reasonably and responsibly there, and kids are reared with more than fundy religious bullshit and schoolyard myth to fall back on when they hit puberty.

This is not to say its okay that teachers are oogling naked students in school- I agree that this is over the line. But when you step back and take a look at the broader issues, you can see why it's not an earth-ending deal in Denmark like it would be in the US. Scandinavians are simply smarter about that stuff than we are. Period, end of story.

That's fucked up, sweetheart.

Why in the world does Wahine's signature say I am always right?

How in God's holy name did I miss this thread? I'm relieved I found it, otherwise I'd have no idea what a boiling cauldron of crazy Wahine is.

Oh...and to clarify:

No means no. Period.

Which also means...

Yes means yes. Period.

Where has Uncle Albert disappeared to?

Has Mrs A been locking him in the closet?

I believe they are busy making a baby or some such.

Wahine is pacificnic, or nic, remember the night we argued with her crazy ass in chat? That was all spawned from this thread which Storm bumped.

Next question.

Oh goodie!

Another thread I can burn!

I demand a link to the original video in question.

We put up the link several times, but Listkeeper kept editing it out. I'm sure you could find it the old fashioned way -- searching for it yourself.

^ Any red blooded male would do so.

Careful, I'm pretty sure it was revealed that those girls are only 16 or so.

16 is legal in GA, no?

What the fuck is wrong with WF. Put some titties in your face and you all loose common sense.

It maybe crosses a line but hey it's Denmark and we're all a bunch of puritans.....

This was a school event hosted by teachers. It was wrong. It was all sorts of wrong and to see the lot of you trying to defend that is nauseating. I don't give two fucks how different a culture they have over there in Denmark, or anywhere else for that matter but people in a position of power hosting a strip off for popularity and a seat at the head lunch table should be wrong in all cultures. Like I said before if this was a bunch of teenagers stripping and a teenage party in front a bunch of other teenagers than it would be fine but if it had been my daughter up there on the classroom table taking it off for the lonely science teacher for a seat at the cool kids table I'd visit the wrath of god onto that school.

Herbalist -- raise your daughter the right way, and she won't be up on the stage in the first place.

If I ever caught my daughter stripping I'd tear out her ass so fast she wouldn't have anything to shake for all the pervs.

All I'm saying, no matter the culture, having teachers, the ones deciding whether or not our kids pass or fail hosting a strip off should be deplorable. And why is everyone in here going on about how Denmark has some of the lowest rates of teen pregnancy and abortion? What the fuck has that got to do with teachers hosting a stip off? I wonder how Iran is on the whole teenage pregnancy and abortion scale, they're probably pretty low considering they stone their people to death..... That argument has fuck all to do with the event that happened at the school.

You know what's so incredibly stupid about this post?

It assumes that the parent is the only influence in the kids life.

My kid will have the freedom to make his own mistakes - I'm not going to riding him 24/7. And he'll be raised with my values.

That doesn't mean he isn't going to decide to try a joint some time or get a tatto or 'experiment' in college.

And it sure as hell doesn't mean that if an adult pressures him into doing something illegal that said adult should get a free pass on doing it.

Authority figures are just that, and teachers shouldn't be getting minors to try to strip for social perks.

One thing I don't understand: If we are going to excuse the teacher's behavior here then what, exactly, do we think the role of the teacher is?

I think teachers ought to be supplemental parents, so to speak. They are with our children during their formative years, obviously they will have some influence, no matter what kind of parent you are. So to absolve a teacher of all responsibility because the parent is, well, the parent...that seems monumentally idiotic.

When I was in high school, my band director found out my mom had complained to the school about his utter ineptitude as a teacher. So he decided to take out his anger on me, calling me worthless and pathetic, and telling my friends not to speak to me or he'd fail them.

Finally, I had enough, and I complained to the principle...but my God, I was shaking like a leaf, sitting in that chair with the principal, vice-principal, and band director. It's intimidating, all throughout high school.

So yes, I lay the blame at the feet of these so-called teachers. What utter wastes of human beings they are, to openly encourage students to do this. To BRIBE them, in fact, with popularity, the most valuable commodity in high school. It's sick, it's pathetic, and I can't honestly believe that anyone defended it in here.

Culture difference my white, dimpled ass

Yeah, that's about right, they fucked me up about as much as someone else's parents.

If it weren't for mandated state run schools, I might have actually made it through life without the taste of some sincere dysfunctional "parenting".

Gosh, we can't have anyone skip that!

I hope you are able to teach your boy the difference between experimentation among peers and succumbing to sexual pressure from an authority figure. We live in a society that would come down hard on the teachers, but you'd better consider that such a scenario might come along. I just hope your boy is prepared to handle it.