Terrorist Attack on Mosque in New Zealand

Guy was a reg at 4chan and 8chan. 4chan is going nuts.

Asian Americans hear in California have been trying to raise a similar issue for a while now. Back in 2010 SF did a study and found that 85% of the physical assault victims they studied during that time period in San Francisco was black criminals attacking Asian people. I am not drawing any conclusions as it was a relatively small study in one city but it was shocking how supposed civil rights groups tried to handwave away and bury that one with spurious claims about racism.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sf...of-black-on-Asian-violence-is-out-3265760.php

It's all part of the goal to normalize the behavior. First they say to relax because it's just a joke. Then when people are dying, they say to relax because they deserve to die. These are people without sympathy or humanity and these "jokes" show it.

Hm, a ponderous question: good fascism or bad fascism?

Remind me, yours is the good one, right?

You can spell fascism. You'll graduate middle school by 50 at this point, good for you and your eternally disappointed parents.

Who are you even talking to?

There is no good totalitarianism, regardless of where it falls on the political spectrum.

That said, apropos of nothing, I have been pondering something over the last few years. The "traditional" political scale that I grew up with, the one that originated with the French Revolution, can't be used any more. When I was young, Communism was on the far left extreme and Fascism was on the far right extreme. These extremes were to be avoided at all cost because, without fail, they resulted in totalitarian states regardless of their stated intents in a perfect world.

I said that to say this: Somewhere around the time of the Goldwater Conservative Revolution, something changed in the Republican party. The Party of Lincoln removed the safeguards while rushing to the right. They removed all of the "evil" and totalitarianism from the right side of the scale and moved it to the left. This is around the time otherwise reputable historians started engaging in mind-bending historical revision by claiming the "Socialist" in National Socialist (NAZI) wasn't just branding and that, in fact, the Nazi's were socialist. Therefore, if the Nazi's were left, everything on the left was either Nazi or Communist and therefore evil. It became safe to go right...and keep going right. The people in charge didn't see any danger is going further and further right.

At the end of the day, that's partly how we've wound up with the ultra-polarized mess we have today. Anyone Republican to the left of Goldwater is a RINO and anyone further left than the RINO's is Joseph Stalin and Hitler incarnate.

Of course it's a pattern.

The question is why?

Is there a reason you find that thought so objectionable?

I think fascism and anarchist are more the opposite poles with liberalism falling more towards anarchy the more liberal you get.

I think really the D&D scale tends to be a bit more realistic when you consider law and chaos vs good and evil on social contract scale that would mirror a lot of religious morals. Economic systems tend to be capable of going on either side depending on how they are used. You could have a very totalitarian communism like Russian communism, or you could have a very liberal communism like hippie communes. The same goes for capitalism or socialism. I don't see any of those things being necessarily totalitarian or liberal.

Extremism seems to be where these systems fall apart or become problematic. I don't see being conservative or capitalistic as being bad, but they are not the best systems for every single thing in society, and they have their failings. The same is true for the other side. Even I have many limits on liberal acceptance of certain things. I am not for being liberal about child molestation, rape, and murder. I am for private ownership and wealth acquisition along with maintaining a certain socialist base level of certain requirements.

When the US and the south east has been formed on slavery and racism for the entire history of the country and the establishment of wealth and power the cause of these disparities is not the black skin, but rather the white reaction to it over the history of the country which has caused a huge wealth and power disparity that has caused harm to black people and pushed them towards criminal activities by violating the social contract which allows us to live together peacefully.

@oldfella1962 sees the obvious correlation of crime and black people, but the cause he puts on their black skin. It is true that the difference in skin color was a factor in why the difference exists, but it is the problem of white racism that has caused it and is not something inherent to a person with black skin everywhere. American slavery was not as diverse as other slavery. America was made of white free men and the slaves were black. When we talk about slavery in places like Europe, africa, and the middle east the slaves varied and had different ways of making them. This is a reason why American racism is so much more a part of our culture. The blacks never had a safe spot to return to or a free area to live.

It is really unfair for oldfella to blame the blacks when they have been pushed out of society in his area unlike any other minority or immigrant.

Placing anarchists on the traditional left-right scale is where the scale really starts to break down because with anarchists added, it really becomes more of a circle than a straight line. I say that because, historically, there have been just as many anarchists on the "right" as there have been on the "left." Maybe it even needs to be a third dimension on the scale?

My point with this little ramble is that maybe it's time to stop worrying about if ideas come from the right or if ideas come from the left. Lets worry if ideas are good or if ideas are bad and judge them on their own merits, not the merits of those who espouse them. Then again, maybe I'm just crazy.

And yet, there doesn't seem to be a case of someone going on a shooting rampage after binge-watching MLP. Curious.

To be honest I play along with the right-left dichotomy for ease of communication, they're terms people can use that everyone understands but frankly I'm not sure how useful they are.

It's reductionist to the point of no longer being fit for purpose where it comes to anything more complex than purely abstract ideas, which is in my view really quite dangerous. It artificially creates tribes who define themselves by a common ideology "leftforge", "rightforge". Peoples' views and politics have never truly been that simple, nor can much of what we see in the world be so easily categorised as either/or. It's a classic case (for me) of terminology defining the world rather than reflecting it.

I will agree that left and right are sort of meaningless adjectives that any value could be stuck to. Sort of like saying red or blue. It has brought out an interesting point in American politics where red was for communism while technically the Republicans were red and anti red at the same time. Then if you throw native Americans in there everything gets fucked up.

Even democrat and republican are pretty meaningless terms.

I am the Egg Man.

Lol check out this edgy 8Chan mod. Glad you could find a break from whacking it to child porn to come shit post here.

the homicide victims would love to ask "why" but they are six feet under. Same for the mosque victims. My point being there can be 99 theories as to "why" but the theories aren't the terminal end of the chain -the trigger puller is every fucking time, full stop.

We know why, but you just don't like the reason because it hits too close to home and exposes your favorite people for the scum they are.

I see the barely sentient fatberg known as Rush Limbaugh has already floated the idea of this being a false flag attack. Look for the usual suspects here to "discuss" the idea over the coming days.

Calm down there, Kamala. We all know you're a total badass.

Please don't go full @Dayton3 and dox yourself in a prick waving dickfight. I don't think my rubber pants are back from being cleaned.

my "favorite people" are small framed brunettes, Latinas my #1 choice. What's that have to do with anything? Regardless you are missing the point here. Reasons/theories/mitigating circumstances/blame are just a dog chasing it's tail. In a mass shooting like this the blame rests squarely on the shooter(s) full stop. That's the reality of the situation. Reasons won't be on trial, the shooters will be.

No, no, no, this has to be used to blame white people in general and conservatives in particular. #NotAll only applies to the religion of peace.

Says the guy that is saddened when not enough soldiers or cops are killed.

Well, so far you're the only one here talking about "false flag", so if anyone does bring it up, it's all your fault.

hey watch it mister! That comment makes too much sense and is filled with rational, measured thought.

I'm also the first to mention your mother felching me the other night, and if anyone brings stuff up as a result of that mental image, I accept full responsibility.

Stay classy, Matt.