The creation myth of Donald Trump just imploded

So is it true or not that one factor in Hillary voters not showing up to vote was they assumed the election was a slam-dunk for her, so why bother voting? No way she could lost to that bum!

While that is probably true in some individual cases, it's worth remembering Hillary won more votes than Obama 4 years before. She didn't lose due to an usually bad turnout.

This is probably the least surprising thing I've heard about Trump

Dayton learned to keep his mouth shut better, and that's all I can say outside of the blue room.

You are just wrong and as it is almost two years later that is just inexcusable. Turn out in 2016 was almost the same as 2012 and only 2.5 points lower than in 2008. Who were the people who stayed home and didn't vote? Not the white "Bernie Bros" you wrongly claimed; black turn out was what was lower. So your attempts to blame white mythical "Bernie bros" is as wrong as it is retarded.

As for Dayton's job, I rarely go to the blue room, but I do recall him saying he had a new job and was making more than he previously ever had.

I think he narrowly got more than her in 2012. In 2008, he got nearly 70 million votes. The only person to get more votes than HRC for president is Barack Obama.

I think Citizens United ruling of 2010 is behind the surge in third and fourth party spending. I wouldn't be shocked if Gary Johnson was financed in a huge by Democratic Super PACS and Jill Stein was financed by GOP Super PACS.

Thank you, turns out you're right -- Obama 2012 got 62k votes more than Clinton 2016. I must have been remembering some earlier tally.

We may have some new details this week, but it's been known to any reasonable observer since before the '16 election, that Trump's record as a businessman is mediocre at best.

Trump played into the right wing bubble where reality is not defined by truth, but by what you want to be the truth. The right wing I knew in NY back before 2000 knew all of this stuff. Trump was a friend of hillary and the dems and he was one of the worst corporate welfare bafoons stealing taxpayer money. This was not anything new to the right in the northeast. Trump's corruption and theft was legendary. Now every one of them says they always loved him and he was a great businessman. It is like being in an alternate universe.

I could get the gullible from the midwest being duped about a guy they did not know well in a state where they did not like the politics so they did not know. Trump probably looked like he knew something when he was commanding stars around on the apprentice. However, we all knew the fun of the idea of the apprentice was that trump was the biggest idiot in the room.

Oh, and as for the IRS investigation a lot of these things trumps dad was doing are ways to protect family assets from estate taxes. There were some illegal attempts to pass money on to the kids like when his dad went into trumps casino and got millions in chips as a way of funneling extra money to his son when he needed a bailout, but a lot of these methods are ways rich families keep their wealth through tax loopholes. The only problem I have with this is that these loopholes require money to keep money. The people who have the least and could do better if they had their smaller family wealth passed on cannot do these things because it is set up that you need money to jump through the hoops. The people who could provide for their families and pay taxes without having their estates go to the state are the ones given the most breaks.

Anyone who believed trump was a fucking chump.

One of the reasons, at least the excuses, used by California for having only two people on each vallot was that each party tried to support a third party candidate who was more extreme than the other main stream candidate (further left than Dems, further right than Repubs).

I remain against this, I don't cqre about minor shenanigans by the majors, I am very concerned qbout the two majors blocking third parties as that really does result in more extremism when all other options are legalistically blocked from voters. We should have more options to force parties to be more representative. That sure as hell worked in the UK.

I think when you play the game of politics, everything is political. I don’t mind that the major parties are trying to finance other parties to get a political advantage. What I don’t like is this no disclosure about this. Everything is obscured behind this veil of phoniness basically.

Citizens United was a flawed decision. We need Supreme Court justices that will fix this.

Kavanaugh won't help. That is for sure.

Religion.
Most egregiously White Evangelical religion.
They are literally trained from birth to rationalize ANYTHING. It's like their superpower.

Sadly, they became super-villains.

Related:

https://www.pbs.org/pov/darkmoney/v..._medium=slideshow&utm_campaign=home_slideshow

Essential viewing.

Also, Jane Mayer's book of the same name - though not covering the same ground (same field, longer historical arc) - is also essential reading.

a significant portion of that, potentially the huge majority, was voter suppression by GOP legislatures. It absolutely flipped Wisconsin and had a major impact elsewhere.

"Religion.
Most egregiously White Evangelical religion.
They are literally trained from birth to rationalize ANYTHING. It's like their superpower."

Case in point.

non-college whites, much more heavily male

and White Evangelicals far more heavily than any other subset, though those groups largely overlap.
I would venture a guess that if you take ANY demographic breakdown, by race, gender, age, education, whatever - and you section out the evangelicals that skew the total, the man probably doesn't have more than 1 in 3 support in ANY group, and very few where it's not more like 1 in 5 or less.