The future of abortion in the US

Oh, you can babble for the rest of the day for all I care. You're never going to do anything to make abortion minimally necessary. You're just going to keep pontificating.

I can continue to vote for and contribute to politicians who might be able to though.

So you'll be supporting improved access to contraception (and encouraging pharma companies to develop better contraceptive methods) and greater access to sex education in schools? Or you'll just dig in and say "Abortion wrong. Must end."?

I see nothing wrong with those ideas.

Then I trust you'll support politicians who share those views and protest the defunding of Planned Parenthood.

No. Planned Parenthood is the largest provider of abortions in the United States (the part of it involved in abortions)

No it isn't. That's another myth you've bought into without examining it. But, okay, don't strain yourself. Start by voting against "pro-life" candidates and for choice candidates.

I don't think this map is accurate. I know that Massachusetts has a full anti-abortion law on the books which would automatically reactivate if Roe was overturned. Just like CA's prop 8 is still in the state constitution and would be enforceable if Obergefell were ever repealed.

Wikipedia says otherwise. I assume you don't think that it is a "right wing news source"? Yeah, Planned Parenthood provides a wide range of health services, but the fact remains it is the largest abortion provider in America.

Why deny that?

Abortion
Planned Parenthood has occupied a central position in the abortion debate in the U.S., and has been among the most prominent targets of the United States pro-life movement for decades. Some members of Congress, overwhelmingly Republican, have attempted since the 1980s to end federal funding of the organization, nearly leading to a government shutdown over the issue in 2011. Planned Parenthood has consistently maintained that federal money received by Planned Parenthood is not used to fund abortion services, but pro-life activists have argued that the federal funding frees up other resources that are, in turn, used to provide abortions.[77]

Planned Parenthood is the largest single provider of abortions in the U.S. but pro-choice advocates have argued that the organization's family planning services reduce the need for abortions; in the words of Megan Crepeau of the Chicago Tribune, Planned Parenthood could be "characterized as America's largest abortion preventer". Pro-life activists dispute the evidence that greater access to contraceptives reduces abortion frequency

As a nationwide organization, of course it's going to provide a greater number of abortions than some little clinic in Podunk, but if you look at the percentage of its services, the majority, as indicated in your article, are around prevention.

So you are openly admitted that you were not telling the truth when you said they were not the number one official provider in the United States? Glad to see you admit the truth. Perhaps it will get to be a habit.

As for being "America's largest abortion preventer"?!?! Nice claim but unproveable. You can't prove something that didn't happen.

No, I'm saying you don't understand the difference between percentage and proportion. And the fact that you follow up with a refusal to accept that the majority of PP's services are preventative suggests you're the one being less than honest.

But concentrate on your local representatives, the school systems, etc., instead of wearing yourself out obsessing about PP, since there are only two clinics in your entire state.

And we're very proud of that. Eventually there will be none. If women wish to kill their babies for non health related reasons, they can bloody the hands of Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Louisiana, Mississippi, or Tennessee.

Somebody analyzed Collins' votes and found that she tends to wait until it's clear how everybody else will vote, and then break with party leadership only if it's clear that her dissent won't actually change the outcome.

And rates of STDs and breast cancer will increase, especially among poor women, who will also not have access to contraception and education. So much for your support for contraception, education, and women's health. Hypocrite.

Hey look, Dayton managed to hyperlink and use quote tags correctly on the same post

Texas only has two and Mississippi only has one has is so inaccessible it may as well be useless.

Try again.

The map Dayton linked might be an old version. Here is the actual soruce. The more current version lists my state, PA, as orange rather than yellow. That makes me uneasy.

After Roe gets overturned:



"Yeah, but I just didn't like Hillary."

Umm...Planned Parenthood has five offices in my city alone and I believe there are a number of other providers as well.

Most schools I've been at. Even southern rural ones have sex education and provide free contraception.

Then isn't it odd that you know virtually nothing about Planned Parenthood?

I knew pretty much all the information you presented in your chart above.

What makes you think that Planned Parenthood is the only organization that can provide sex education and contraceptive information?

You're the one who did not know that Planned Parenthood is the biggest abortion provider in the United States.

Which contraceptive do you recommend your daughter use?

Then why did you lie in Post #131?

You still don't know the difference between proportion and percentage. You'd think you'd be ashamed to keep repeating your mistake.

You're the one who lied garamet.. Isn't this about the time you accuse someone of not knowing what they are talking about because they don't provide 20 links to support their argument?

And then you move the goalposts of course.

Textbook intellectual dishonesty.

Proportion and percentage have nothing whatsoever to do with it. I'm talking about raw numbers of abortions provided in the United States. By that simple standard Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in the United States and I'm certain any honest person would agree.

What bothers you so much about your beloved Planned Parenthood being the king of abortion in the United States? I have a feeling that abortions make you profoundly uncomfortable and supporting the right to them also makes you uncomfortable.

Paging @Soma. Please explain numbers to @Dayton3. Thank you.