The Omnibus P01135809 Criminal Investigation Thread

Can you ever not fall for the most ridiculous bullshit? Just fucking unreal.

Here’s what you don’t seem to understand. It’s possible that Bob Lazar did work at Area 51, there seems to be some evidence that he did, but maybe he was just a janitor. Maybe it’s all true except for he was working on a man made craft and was led to believe that it was an alien craft so from his perspective he was telling the truth. Maybe he’s a government plant meant to throw people off the scent of what was really going on. We”ll probably never know for sure. I don’t know and neither do you. Again, you don’t really care about this subject, you just want to be a jerk to people who do.

Well, in FF’s case, can you blame him?

Bob Lazar is not the end all and be all of the existence of extra terrestrial beings. Unfortunately, the stupid shit he has said and published, hand in hand with everything the US government has said to first credit him, then discredit him, no one can believe anything he says.

FF’s problem is that he thinks only Democrats lie and provide misinformation and … for some mysterious reasons known only to him, thinks trump and team are telling the truth.

Here's Turdfan's proplem is that I do understand everything that he pointed, we've discussed it here, other guests have discussed it on the JRE multiple times.

Well that's one problem. Another is his overwhelming, almost painful stupidity.

Although maybe he is a troll that puts even the Grandmaster Troll of Trolls @Tererune to shame. Maybe his posts are brilliant performance art. Maybe he's from Rigel VII. No matter what, a solid chunk of the American electorate would agree with his posts. That's scary.

What's the guy who claims that he has me on "ignore" say? Oh yeah,

Now, let's talk about what he's "learned" from watching JRE. It's apparently stuff like this. As well as this. And then there's this. I don't think that I need to point out that FF's refused to read the book by the NASA engineer who tried to reverse-engineer alien tech after seeing UFOs. Bit odd that.

I highly doubt he's read any book other than The Cat in the Hat. Reading hard.

Let's assume for argument's sake that the underlying factual information referred to here is correct. Let's put aside the legitimacy of PJ Media, let's put aside that the agent whose testimony is quoted could be lying or mistaken or have his words being taken out of context. Let's say he essentially testified truthfully at some point the GSA/Biden Administration had boxes from the Trump administration in a warehouse in Virginia and for whatever reason sent them to Mar-A-Lago, and those were the classified documents that were ultimately found. Let's also pretend for the sake of argument that all the classified documents were the ones that the Biden Administration forwarded from this warehouse, and that Trump and his people didn't independently take/retain any of the documents prior to the Biden Administration. Let's on top of this pretend that Trump and his people did not know what was in the boxes or that they included classified documents prior to receiving them.

I do not see how that changes the fact that Trump engaged in subterfuge to try and conceal his continued possession of the documents.

In other words, even if we live in the dumbass conspiracy-laden world where the Biden administration set him up to receive the classified documents, he has no excuse for when the "trap" is sprung saying "Hey give us the classified documents back" for not giving the classified documents back.

He was obligated to search for classified documents in his possession and return them. He had his attorneys sign off on a certification that he returned them when he had not. It's basically been established that he played shell games with the classified information so that it wouldn't be found. He knowingly retained possession of them at that point.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/10/nyregion/giuliani-radio-suspended.html

He had a radio show?

It is AM. That stands for Americuh Man wavelength.

Doesn’t matter the case needs to be tossed because they mislead the judge and apparently planted evidence.

If this is verified by some legit sources then you might have a point, after all to this point you have been a stickler for things like chains of custody.

Now just hold on a moment while I take a big sip of coffee then open up some of your many posts on Hunters laptop.

See, nothing in the testimony or the story itself that was linked that I can see suggests that anyone misled the judge about anything, or that they planted evidence.

Let's take a closer look without me giving all the benefits of the doubts I had previously given:

Ok, so an FBI agent testified that the boxes had at some point been in the possession of the GSA in a Virginia and the GSA ordered Trump to get them.

Note: there is no mention about when this order took place, how long they had been held, how the boxes got there, if the GSA packed them or if the Trump administration did.

The story says that this revelation raises questions about whether the Biden administration had set up Trump.

Well those questions are easily answered: No. There's no reason to think that Trump was set up. Trump did not have to take the steps he did to retain the classified information. Trump did not have to make the many public statements on Truth Social that he was entitled to keep the documents, that he can self-declassify them, that they are his property, etc. The Biden administration could not have realistically plotted to set Trump up.

It is wishful thinking that the federal government planted the documents before they were in Trump's possession and that Trump just didn't realize that they were there. That just isn't consistent with his behavior. If he innocently thought that he should be able to keep the documents or didn't realize they were there, he wouldn't have been caught on tape telling people that he was showing them classified documents that he shouldn't, and he wouldn't have tried the old switcheroo, or gotten his lawyer to lie about them, or asked the question of his lawyer if they could just stonewall efforts to get the documents back.

https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-irs-audit-chicago-hotel-taxes

But it’s impossible that Biden stole the documents he had and impossible that Biden would use them for nefarious purposes.

There’s no reason to believe it.

Remember when Biden was all "nooooo!! They're miiiiine!! I'll keep them forever!!!! They're miiiiine!!! ".
Oh, yeah, that was Trump.
Fuck off, partisan hack.

finally getting the audit he always talked about

I and various others have addressed this bit of whataboutism numerous times by pointing out that there was going to be an investigation of Biden and if there was correspondingly strong evidence against him that he knowingly retained classified materials that it would be appropriate to charge him.

As you know, or should know, the investigation of Biden concluded without discovering any such evidence. (It should also be pointed out that at least some of the classified materials in Biden's case were personal notes he took of classified briefings, which is arguably less subject to needing to return.)

So it is not that it's "impossible" that Biden deliberately retained classified documents despite knowing that he should have returned them, and it's not impossible that he did nefarious things with the documents that he did retain.

There just is no conclusive or even strongly persuasive evidence that he knew about the classified records in his possession or that he held on to them against a demand for their return. And there is no evidence even after an investigation that he did anything with the records at all other than say to a ghostwriter in 2017 that he had just found classified records downstairs at his Virginia home. As the Special Counsel's report says, it's not clear if that comment was a reference to the materials he still retained or some other materials that he returned. Their investigation found no evidence that Biden knew he had records in his Delaware garage, or that the records he referred to having found in Virginia were then moved to the Delaware garage.

I don't even know why anyone would want to hold on to any papers after being president. Maybe keep a few special letters people wrote to you. Maybe frame one or two copies of laws you were particularly proud of. Otherwise, once I was done writing any memoirs, I'd just dump everything on some pre-existing library and let them deal with storing it all while I got on with my life.

Imagine living in a mental state where the handyman from Newsradio is your most trusted source for...anything.

I'd imagine it would be similar to the reasons people keep any old papers cranked up to 11, because to be president you have to have or develop a pretty big ego and sense of wanting to develop/protect a legacy:

1. Wanting to reminisce about the good ol' days
2. Wanting to have proof you're right
3. Wanting to hide something/have control of something
4. Being too busy/lazy to properly sort things
5. Thinking that the papers would be worth money

Burden of proof, Federal Farmer style.

If the person is a Republican, you have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he did it.

If the person is a Democrat, you have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he DIDN'T do it, and that it isn't even POSSIBLE, otherwise we're going to assume that he did it.

6. Enrich yourself, your son, and your brother.

^^that

That’s what Biden did.

Exactly. it's a two tiered system for sure, just not the way it's repeated ad nauseum in the RWEC

No, that's what Trump did. Either he's a babbling old fool or a fucking genius. He had no idea those papers were classified, and when he found out, he returned them. Unlike Orange Guy Bad.

Which is it? Deep state or deep fake?