The Southern Swastika

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  1. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    So?
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    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    He loves to ignore that they were all conservatives and that it is conservatives who are always on the wrong side of history.
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    If they were conservatives, why did they keep voting for the Democrat party up through 2010?
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  4. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    List them, along with their voting records. From the Congressional record, not some third-hand blog. :bailey:
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    That would be a very long list.

    Starting with South Carolina, you had Fritz Hollings who raised the confederate flag over the South Carolina capitol, who was a Democrat Senator from 1966 to 2005. His seat is now held by Republican Tim Scott, who is black. In the House, you have:
    Democrat Mendel Rivers served from 1941 to 1970, died. Replaced by Democrat Mendel Davis who served until 1981.
    Democrat Bryan Dorn served from 1951 to 1974, retired. Replaced by Democrat Butler Derrick who served until 1995.
    Democrat Robert Ashmore served from 1953 to 1969. Replaced by Democrat James Mann who served until 1979.
    Democrat John McMillan served from 1939 to 1973.
    Only one Senator (Thurmond) and one Representative switched parties.

    In Alabama you have Democrat Senator John Sparkman who served from 1937 to 1979, replaced by Democrat Howell Helfin who served until 1997. Democrat Senator Lister Hill served from 1938 until 1969, and was almost defeated in 1962 by an ultra-conservative Republican oil man who attacked him on the Democrat's weak foreign policy and exporting Alabama jobs overseas, but George Wallace came to his aid and held him up as a staunch segregationist who opposed the Kennedy's. Democrats held Hill's seat until 1981, when Jeremiah Denton won it. Denton was famous for spending much of the Civil Rights Era in a North Vietnamese prison camp. In 1987 the seat was won by Democrat Richard Shelby (note that he won 20 years after the Civil Rights bills, and he switched parties in 1994 (Clinton's first mid-term) to become a Republican.

    And on and on.
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    Please tell me you understood that we were talking averages of aggregate data.
  7. Nova

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    southern force of habit. We're having local/state elections this year and in the vast majority of areas, you needent even bother to run on the Republican side - no one will even notice you're there.

    The old timers like Byrd just carried on based on seniority even after the area the represented went GOP (and to be fair, WV still votes Dem sometimes).

    For example: Jamie Whitten. My grandaddy worshiped Jamie Whitten because dude had already been in Congress almost 20 years when the CRA passed. before Reagan was elected he was already chair of the House Appropriations committee and controlled every dollar the FedGov spent - he pretty much single handedly gave us the Tenn-Tom Waterway for example - that kind of seniority and power easily trumps everything else with many voters. It was the classic "you could catch him in bed with a dead girl or a live boy and not defeat him" situation.
    As soon as he died, the district elected a Republican by 60+%
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  8. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    I finished talking about averages in post 648. I'm talking about the wonky math in post 639.

    Forget about averages. How can someone in Maryland who makes $70,000 a year have more buying power than someone in Alabama who makes $70,000 a year when the cost of living is so much higher in Maryland?


    State - income- value - Units
    Maryland - 70,004 - 89.85 - 779.12

    Alabama - 70,004 - 113.51 - 616.72
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  9. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    Always on the wrong side? :rotfl:You liberals are funny, in a little kid who puts his pants on backwards then trips and falls face-first into the cat litter box kind of way. :yes: You feel sorry for them, but damn it's still funny.
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    Liet Dr. of Horribleness, Ph.D.

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    Yeah, gul did mess up the math there. His third column should be column 1, divided by 10,000, times column two. Instead it's column 1 divided by column 2.
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    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/anthony-hervey-confederate-dies-crash

    Wow, a bad situation and I hope the people who did it are caught but this really should be a wake up call to other black pro-Confederate flag activists. A black pro-Confederate flag activist and his black girlfriend attended a pro-Confederate flag rally saying they supported the Confederate flag as a symbol of southern heritage. The problem was driving home from the rally some white supremacists ran their car off the road killing the black male driver while the black woman survived. Mississippi police are treating the incident as a traffic accident.

    Yeah, because that is believable.
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    Not surprisingly, Talking Points Memo omits that the people who ran Harvey off the road were black. So I guess the police are looking for four or five black white-supremacists who were intent on wiping out a black Confederate flag supporter.
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    I'm guessing they hated Harvey because they thought he was a "sellout" AKA "Oreo" etc.etc. He dared to have a different viewpoint, kind of like blacks who are conservative and or Republicans. None of the haters know shit from Shinola about politics or history, but that doesn't matter - another black man doesn't think like we do, so we hate him. That's where whites totally get over. We have the choice of being liberal or conservative. Blacks better not be conservative or god forbid support the Confederacy - even though blacks owned slaves and the north profited from cotton picked by slaves. Just sayin'
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    Who argued that? There's nothing wrong with the math in post 648 -- you did it correctly. I made the mistake in my post of dividing, which is why I repped you for correctly multiplying. If somebody in Alabama makes $70,004, he is better off than somebody making that in Maryland. But you are much more likely to make that income in Maryland. On average, people in Maryland have more purchasing power than people in Alabama.
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    For some reason I thought that was Demiurge.
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    Maryland? Here's the deal with Maryland - it's chock full of government workers (who work in DC, Fort Belvoire, Arlington, etc.) who in general command a very generous salary. Yeah, I know a bunch of guys who went that route. That's one of the places where jobs are, and if you don't have a big family (don't need a big home) and have money to spend there are a lot of fun things to see and do. The guys with families (need decent schools not in the hood and a bigger home) try to get jobs in the south - like Huntsville Alabama for example! Here's another event soon to unfold that will bring in a shit-ton of talented workers to my neighborhood: the NSA is expanding and moving many of their workers to Augusta. 2/3 are moving to my county (the red county) and make my commute even more hellish but I can't blame them for trying to improve their lives.
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    Were you looking for this? :droolingidiot:

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    Ditto on the Yankee salary.

    Before they closed up shop here, my wife worked for a company that was originally based out of Boston

    Or...

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  21. Elwood

    Elwood I know what I'm about, son.

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    Where in the world are you getting that claim from? It's certainly not in the article you linked. I too am waiting on the results of the investigation because it smells a little fishy to me. Maybe it's because I want it to smell fishy, but I'm capable of admitting that. That said, one of the organizers of the rally they attended is an acquaintance of mine. I briefly mentioned it in Larry's Facebook thread.

    He's organized aid for the families and the survivor and I have to begrudgingly admit that he's done a pretty good job of it. According to what I've seen, the survivor has been adamant and consistent with her story. That being, basically, a silver car with black men in it hit their car and then ran them off the road.
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    Gee, given that white supremacists love the Confederate flag and are always at these events we hope do you think did it? Gee, who doesn't like black people and we're hanging out at a rally minutes before in that area?
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    The guy was one of the featured speakers at the rally. Would you like me to link you to the YouTube video? Also, "minutes before?" Oxford, MS is 190 miles from Birmingham, AL. Please, think before you let your biases get in the way.
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    "He came from an event where there were tons of white supremacists but that doesn't prove the white supremacists did it." Fair enough but I am going to apply Occum's Razor here and suspect the most likely explination. It is a better working hypothesis than most.
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    Here is the type of people who like the Confederate flag. Yes, the KKK held a pro-Confederate flag rally.

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    The black white-supremacists ran him off the road? I don't think Occam's razor works the way you think it does.
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    No, you just have reading comprehension problems.
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    Are you really suggesting that a group of White Supremacists saw this man, a featured speaker, at their rally and then followed him for over three hours (190 miles) before running him off the road? That's the plan with the fewest assumptions (Occam's razor)?
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    The lady said the car chased after them for some time, drove beside them on the wrong side of the road, and then rammed them off the road. It certainly was a targeted attack.
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    By four or five black males. Groups of angry black males are rarely white supremacists - and if they were, why would they be attacking a black man who waves the Confederate flag?