Theological question of the day.

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  1. Tamar Garish

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  2. RickDeckard

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    Because you've dressed it up to omit the bloodletting and eternal torture.

    Christopher Hitchens put it much better than I ever could.

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  3. Tamar Garish

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    The don't believe it. :shrug:

    It's still none of your business what other people believe when those people are not forcing you to join them.
  4. RickDeckard

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    If they express such beliefs in a public forum, such as this one, I'll debate them as I damn well please. Do you have a problem with my arguing against anyones expressed beliefs on the subject of politics, films, sport etc. or is it in fact only religion that's none of my business?
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  5. Tamar Garish

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  6. RickDeckard

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    No answer to my question then? Another smiley perhaps? I'm sure there are some good ones left.
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  7. Tamar Garish

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    What is there to say?

    Clearly you can say whatever you want....that still doesn't make it your business any more than it is a gaybasher's business what homosexuals are choosing to do with their lives, for example.
  8. Diacanu

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    So, gayness is a choice, like politics, or religion?
    :chris:
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    It doesn't matter....the point is, what a person chooses to believe is their business.

    Many people do believe it's a choice...so does it give them the right to dictate to gay people when they don't approve of that choice? Or is it none of their business regardless if it's a choice?

    Do individual believers do shit they shouldn't....yeah. Is that a reflection of faith as a whole...no.
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    Even in politics?
    :chris:
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    The question of the existence of God is a very different debate than the question of the nature of God.

    Or, there are many ways to exist, but only one way to not-exist.

    Not very many of the personal theologies presented in this thread are what I would consider representative of mainstream protestant Christianity.

    Nothing wrong with that, but it needs remembering that what one particular Christian believes isn't necessarily what Christians as a whole believe.
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  12. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Well,that's another interesting facet.
    If one Christian can be as different from another, as a Christian is from a Hindu...then why is it okay to lump all Christians together when they want to be inflated as a statistic, but not for anything else?

    If you sat every single Christian in the country down with an exhaustive questionnaire, rather than "you are...A. Christian B. Jewish C. Muslim D. Other", I think you'd quickly see "Christianity", splinter into many little sub-religions.

    About a hundred million or so...
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    The fact that what took place 2,000 years ago was, in your view, barbaric creates barbarism in the world today?
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    I asked you a question. You could answer it rather than ignore it.
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    When people derive their philosophical outlook from barbaric doctrines about it, yes.
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    Then why on earth did he fucking invent sin?
    Thats his bloody fault,... he designed our brains!
    If he was truly all-knowing he would have done this right from the start, not half way through his experiment
    If he wants us to accept that 'payment has been made' he should provide at least some evidence of this. All we have to go on is one of many ancient religious books that was almost certainly written by politicians for political purposes
    Yeah like 'act as I tell you or Buuuuuurrrrnnnn'
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  17. Shirogayne

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    Wow, just think...

    In five hundred more posts, this will be even longer than "Meka"! :cool:

    Keep up the good work, guys! :yes:
  18. Nova

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    I've already given, in this thread, at least one perfectly rational (within the context of assuming that this God does exist) explanation for each of your objections - I see no reason to repeat them because you either didn't bother to read the post or can't grasp how it applies.

    I'll only give this hint - "demonstration model"
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    So,... gods fuckin with us?
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    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    I'm sure they couldn't have done it with your profound and thoughtful contributions.
  22. Nova

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    If you don't understand my position by now, you either:

    a. are not reading my posts; or

    b. never will understand what I'm saying.

    Either way...
    Meh.
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    Here's a neat little post mortem:

    Link

    [?=Spooky how accurate this is]
    [/?]

    Pours a 40oz onto the pavement for Diacanu.
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    And that's why I don't like those people any more than any other zealot.
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  25. Nocturne of Vladimir Jazz

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    Assuming that the sacrifice was a physical one. But if was an emotional sacrifice, he could remain every bit a God as he was before the sacrifice.
  26. Nocturne of Vladimir Jazz

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    The sin he denies taking part in isn't the relevant sin to his person. His speech is a testiment to his inevitable sin, though. The statement of responsibility is based on inevitable human sin. If there is a God, this man has sinned by denouncing him, therefore negating his argument that he has no responsibility for his salvation.
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    The same reason it's okay to do it when the democrats or republicans want to be heard.
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    Such a class act.
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    Boy, it sure was easy for me to hurt people's fee-fees back in the day.

    Now Jeff Sessions is trying to roll out theocracy like a motherfucker.
    I wouldn't want to make anyone sad about it though.
    I gotta get the TONE molecule perfect.
    The homophobes, and misogynists, and outright Nazis don't though.
    They can use any tone they please.
    But atheists, we've really gotta watch it.
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  30. Diacanu

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    Just so long as he doesn't say bad shit about Jesus.
    That goes a mile too far.
    Anything else is good old clean all-American Wordforge fun.