There is a Soul

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  1. Aenea

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  2. Tuckerfan

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    The phrase "quantum consciousness" is meaningless jargon thrown about by the likes of Deepak Chopra, because it sounds "sciencey." The article states that there's "no concrete evidence," which means that all we've got is somebody's guess, if that. It's like those arguments that say we're actually just simulations in a computer program. It's possible, but without evidence, you can't say it's a more viable hypothesis than Brion Gysin's All-Purpose Nuclear Bedtime Story.
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  3. NAHTMMM

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    Meh. :shrug: I don't expect "scientific" proof of any such concept, from any angle. There are better trees to bark up.
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    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    The soul must exist or we wouldn't have soul music and soul food. QED.
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  6. Aenea

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    Wow there were a lot of grammatical errors in that.

    :shrug: Quantum entanglement implies a lot of things could be on the horizon.
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    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    "Quantum entanglement" signs like a scientists orgy! :drama:
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    Plus, the information that is 'saved' to the (shudder) "quantum consciousness" upon death wouldnt differentiate between patterns in the brain, patterns in your muscles and patterns in the clothes you're cremated or buried in.
    I agree with Tucker, this is just another attempt for people to say "woooo is possible, science doesnt say it isn't!!!!"
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  9. Spaceturkey

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    shouldn't this be in the red room so it can be properly mocked discussed?
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    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    We are all just flecks of oregano on His noodly appendage.
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  12. Aenea

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    "If there is a quantum code for all things, living and dead, then there is an existence after death (speaking in purely physical terms). Dr. Hans-Peter Dürr, former head of the Max Planck Institute for Physics in Munich, posits that, just as a particle “writes” all of its information on its wave function, the brain is the tangible “floppy disk” on which we save our data, and this data is then “uploaded” into the spiritual quantum field. Continuing with this analogy, when we die the body, or the physical disk, is gone, but our consciousness, or the data on the computer, lives on."

    He didn't say it would think, just that the information is there, like a floppy disk.

    And there was a quote. :shrug:

    I'm not even saying its sound but that was two of the things that have been brought up.
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  13. Paladin

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    Unless my consciousness can continue in some way following the death of my body...




    ...who cares, baby?
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  14. Diacanu

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    A soul would have to be invincible to escape all the kinds of death, and nothing is invincible, since heat death of the universe is going to kill everything.
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    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Even when the universe is cold and dark, and the density of matter is down to one atom per cubic light year, the accelerating expansion of space will eventually rip those isolated atoms apart. Dark energy is a real bitch.
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    Here's a crazy thought (that wasn't mine..)....

    When the universe becomes so uniform in its heat death that it is almost total, scale will stop existing. There will be no difference between anything at any scale.... from a planck length to the size the universe has become in .... however many years it takes.
    But! This almost quantumly (ahem) uniform universe will be accelerating at ever increasing speeds. These speeds will eventually equal those of cosmic inflation. Inflation is how our universe started....
    So, a new universe gets born from a seed that was the inflationary death of our universe.
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    The ultimate fate of the universe is irrelevant unless you can figure out how to raise money for an effort to stop it.
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  18. Paladin

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    The physicist Lawrence Krauss has a book called "A Universe from Nothing," in which he discusses the idea that our universe was spawned because nothing--in the ultra-literal-not-even-including-empty-space sense--is unstable. That is, if there's nothing, eventually some quantum fluctuation will spawn a universe in it. Maybe that's how the next universe comes. Our universe expands until there's nothing and, eventually, somewhere in the midst of all that nothing, the process repeats.
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  19. gturner

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    Something I'm inclined to believe is that without the universe, time is wrapped up as another dimension, so basically there's an infinite amount of time and an infinite number of possibilities that can be cycled through until a new state arises and goes boom.
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    Yes, I think something like that must be true. When there was nothing, there was no space or time. So, the spontaneous creation of the cosmos can't be said to have happened in any sort of time, either fantastically small or staggeringly large. From that standpoint, the birth of the universe was inevitable; there was no time when it hadn't yet happened.
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  21. Will Power

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    If ONLY Dr. Hans Fallada were right, which he is NOT!

    At least based on the all the evidence.