Third time's the charm! New type of bullet

Discussion in 'Camp Wordforge' started by oldfella1962, Jan 30, 2014.

  1. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2004
    Messages:
    81,024
    Location:
    front and center
    Ratings:
    +29,958
  2. Man Afraid of his Shoes

    Man Afraid of his Shoes كافر

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2004
    Messages:
    28,021
    Location:
    N.C.
    Ratings:
    +27,815
  3. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    50,154
    Location:
    Spacetime
    Ratings:
    +53,512
    Yes, your hit probability goes up...but do you gain or lose by distributing the impact/damage over four areas?

    I could be persuaded otherwise, but my instincts tell me this is NOT a good idea.
  4. frontline

    frontline Hedonistic Glutton Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2004
    Messages:
    13,032
    Location:
    Tampa, FL
    Ratings:
    +8,290
    This is nothing but snake oil. Major penetration is only 5",you wind up with 8 small shards that do hardly any damage and the center core doesn't expand. This is nothing but marketing hype.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  5. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    50,154
    Location:
    Spacetime
    Ratings:
    +53,512
    5 inches of penetration? :lol:

    Pass.
  6. Man Afraid of his Shoes

    Man Afraid of his Shoes كافر

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2004
    Messages:
    28,021
    Location:
    N.C.
    Ratings:
    +27,815
    Noticed this too.

    I've decided if it won't go through a wall, I don't want it.
    • Agree Agree x 2
  7. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    50,154
    Location:
    Spacetime
    Ratings:
    +53,512
    If you're THAT concerned about it, find some other form of self-defense.
  8. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2004
    Messages:
    81,024
    Location:
    front and center
    Ratings:
    +29,958
    Yeah - why would you want a self defense round to go thru a wall? That's not positively identifying and engaging your target.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  9. Man Afraid of his Shoes

    Man Afraid of his Shoes كافر

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2004
    Messages:
    28,021
    Location:
    N.C.
    Ratings:
    +27,815
    Because if it won't go through two pieces of sheet rock, then I don't want it for a defensive round. :shrug:
  10. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    43,616
    Location:
    All in your head
    Ratings:
    +30,540
    Hasn't this kind of thing been around a while? I'm sure I've seen rounds with multiple bullets before.
  11. TheBurgerKing

    TheBurgerKing The Monarch of Flavor

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2009
    Messages:
    3,987
    Location:
    In a Baneblade
    Ratings:
    +2,619
    distributes mass over a wide area, not aerodynamic, no way in hell will the round stay balanced in flight, gonna pass, thanks
  12. frontline

    frontline Hedonistic Glutton Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2004
    Messages:
    13,032
    Location:
    Tampa, FL
    Ratings:
    +8,290
  13. frontline

    frontline Hedonistic Glutton Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2004
    Messages:
    13,032
    Location:
    Tampa, FL
    Ratings:
    +8,290
  14. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2004
    Messages:
    81,024
    Location:
    front and center
    Ratings:
    +29,958
    So these rounds are not quite equal to several .22 semi auto pistol rounds. Without much practice most folks can squeeze off about three rounds a second with a .22 with decent short range
    accuracy - and not worry about the rounds jamming. Survey says FAIL. A flood of YouTube test videos will be their demise.
  15. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    43,616
    Location:
    All in your head
    Ratings:
    +30,540
  16. Elwood

    Elwood I know what I'm about, son.

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2004
    Messages:
    30,008
    Location:
    Unknown, but I know how fast I'm going.
    Ratings:
    +25,065

    #1: "Todd Kuchman is an entrepreneur and elk hunter in Colorado who wanted a bullet that would boost his chances of hitting his target."

    Unlike most other things,when it comes to shooting, looking for a mechanical solution to a training, or human, problem is almost never a good thing. For instance, the infamous "NY Trigger" on Glock products. Rather than teaching their officers basic introductory trigger control, they simply made it harder to pull the trigger. Why is this a big deal? Liability. The thinking goes that making the trigger harder to pull will reduce the number of negligent discharges. But, what it really does is negatively impact accuracy so while you may have reduced the number of negligent discharges, you're probably raising the number of rounds fired during a justified use of lethal force situation. That has the same potential for collateral damage as a negligent discharge. :doh:

    In short, if you want to boost your chances of hitting a target, get thee to the range and stay there.

    #2: "The bullet...does only "superficial" damage to flesh, Kuchman said." & "They're intended for self defense, says Kuchman."

    :wtf:

    I kinda get the logic. Hitting your target with a 40gr .22LR bullet is objectively better than missing with a 240gr .44Rem Mag bullet. But, my .22LR weapon will have lots and lots of rounds and will function and feed reliably all the time, every time. This crap? Not so much.
    • Agree Agree x 2
  17. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2004
    Messages:
    81,024
    Location:
    front and center
    Ratings:
    +29,958
    "Todd Kuchman is an entrepreneur and elk hunter in Colorado who wanted a bullet that would boost his chances of hitting his target." - Elwood
    Any hunter knows hitting the target is only half the battle. What the bullet does after it enters the animal is the most important thing.