You are a sexist creep. You don't get to start torching people unless you want to start with yourself.
As much as I loathe Franken the continuous rush to judgement regarding he and various others accused of things like this needs to stop. Get a criminal complaint filed first.
What I find particularly unhelpful are the people who view everything through a partisan lens. “See, liberals do it too, so there! “ No shit. It’s not about liberal/conservative behavior, it’s about male behavior, and ALL of it needs to stop.
Franken's always been a creep, going back at least to his Saturday Night Live days. Guy's just skeevy.
You use this phrase a lot. Me, I don't loathe a lot of people, and when I do, it's because they're murderers, or oppressors, or predators of some kind. But...you routinely root for murder, oppression, and predation. You side with bullies if the targets are people you don't like. You've bragged about bullying. So, what does one have to do to earn your loathing? I bet it's petty, and involves your ego. I hope I'm wrong.
Franken is rude, disrespectful and discourteous to people he disagrees with. I'll take a simple threat of violence even directed at me any day over rudeness, lack of courtesy, and disrespect. At least a threat of violence shows someone considers you enough of a factor to be worthy of direct confrontation where they are willing to put "skin in the game" so to speak.
And you aren't? Or do you think your lapses are excused with "I was angry"? And if that gives you a pass, what's the point of having high-minded values at all?
Better to have values and fail to live up to them than to not have them at all. I'm mean to people online only in retaliation. If "the Greatest Hits thread" were to be closed I would be much more courteous. But as long as this board sanctions trolling me....
It's like none of these people understand that you have no right to someone's body without their permission.
You spout that as if it's a truism, but it's an absurd statement. If I'm injured by a snarling dog, I can attach limited blame to it. It has "no values" and is simply doing what comes naturally. If I'm hurt by a human being who claims high-minded values that he refuses to live up to (see Kitchens, Dayton) then he deserves much more blame and is much worse.
He's been a creep forever on many levels and she's been whoring herself out for decades. What a shocker that their worlds collided!
You could always leave. After all, there's no better way to prove your claim that the board needs you than by abandoning it,
So it really is just about your vanity and ego. And the vicarious projection of people that agree with you. How noble.
How fucking awful is this news cycle that I'm sort of giving Franken credit for harrassing an adult, keeping his dick in his pants, and not forcing her to have an abortion? That's how low the bar is lately.
At the time Franken was on a comedy tour. There was also a kissing episode where a skit called for this. During rehearsal he kissed her against her will. The picture was taken later. The woman in the picture took offense after seeing and knowing it was distributed. This is on par with Trump's behavior before he was a candidate, so yes, we should throw him under the bus. Or elect him president.
I'm very disappointed. One difference is that he's welcoming an ethics investigation. EDIT: Found it: https://www.facebook.com/senatoralfranken/posts/1553158881436655
One of the strangest moments I can remember was when I first heard that Al Franken had gone into politics. My brain just couldn't parse the words. I can only hope this incident somehow leads to the restoration of the proper timeline, when he was nothing more than the worst writer on SNL.
MPR is on the case if Franken resigns: https://blogs.mprnews.org/newscut/2017/11/what-if-franken-resigns/
Seriously though, this thing where comedians write jokes or sketches as a thinly veiled excuse to kiss or grope attractive people is nearly as old as comedy itself, but it's still shitty.
So the main difference I'm seeing with Franken's response is 1) he's sorry, 2) he doesn't remember it the way she remembers, but that's not as important as to how his actions made her feel, and 3) he's holding himself fully accountable and calling for an ethics investigation into himself. This is the way to handle these types of allegations.