throw Al franken on the pile of creeps

Oh please
The Dems aren't the ones obfuscating and circling the wagons.

 

I mean the alleged actions, not the allegations themselves. I'm sometimes not clear when posting from my phone. It seems to me that the gray area is whether actions he took before being in office have a direct effect on his ability to effectively finish his current term. If no, then there's no need to resign, and the voters can decide what happens next election. If yes (and an argument can be made that he can't be respected by women he needs to work with until the next election), then he should. Public opinion outside of partisanship seems mixed to me, but I haven't dug into it a lot.

 

I see your meaning. I was vague as well, I meant the alleged actions too, not the allegations per se. I also assumed you meant that.

Let’s assume for the sake of the argument that Franken sexually abused women (which has been alleged). I feel like you’re saying that if he had only been sexually abusive before his election and not after, then that would prove that he was a changed man and maybe trustworthy among his female counterparts in Washington.

I guess I don’t understand how the timeframe (or recent behavior) changes the strength of your argument. But, oh well. To each his own.

 

Why yes! Yes I was!
Now tell us how you felt about Anita Hill....

 

I find that to be a very bold statement in light of what the Republicans have pulled this year. I don't know how you personally measure levels of hypocracy, but you'd have to be blind not to see the current administration bringing it up to epic levels lately. If you really want to make the argument, I'd be happy to provide examples that you won't bother to consider or even read.

 

Oh, hell, both sides wallow in double standards. Sometimes one side indulges more, sometimes the other.

 

There are many many valid and reasonable criticisms of Trump, but all the bombast bluster and bullshit combined are not close to the level of a long practice of liberal hypocrisy, lying and double-standards- today's example: now that Alabama Moore can no longer be the prime campaign issue of Dems against GOP next year, four (so far) Dem sentators are telling Franken he should stay. Dems no longer need that particular high-horse, so offense at males groping women is now in the bin.

 

Okay, then. How are you measuring the levels of hypocrisy between the two parties? Show your work.

Four, you say? FOUR! OMG! FOUR Democrats! That's like......10% of them! GOD HELP US ALL!!!!

 

^Behold! Partisan-based mitigation of the problem and ridicule of the speaker.

 

It all sounds strangely familiar . . .

 

Yes, the Democrats are playing politics. I think they are wrong to reverse themselves like this.

 

Nah. They are both equally full of shit..

http://www.tampabay.com/florida-pol...g-is-now-doing-it-himself-and-wont-apologize/

 

This is the correct answer, Tuttle

 

You're a leftie, so should make your own cases of GOP hypocrisy.
Plenty of the few comments OT I make here have condemned *all* politicians as sleazy liars.
But there aren't hours in the day sufficient to my desire to address all instances of hypocrisy.

[Plus every time I refine argument or opinion with caveats, qualifications, and explanations to balance the point I get too many tldrs from the apparent leftie idiots who can't read three full paragraphs on a single topic. So I'll just play the advocate in favor of the party most likely to adopt policies that favor growth and prosperity for the most US people (or against their contras).]

 

I lean left, but I am not a Democrat

 

@Dayton3 leans left too, but that is because of his stump and not because of his political affiliations. I personally enjoy leaning on tables so my butt has something to rest on.

 

Uh oh, what will people complain about now?

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42471133

It is really getting dumb now. Women go to work for a Canadian lads magazine targeted at young men whose main lead stories are about things like how to get laid, how to get women to agree to have sex with you without a condom, what fashionable men's wear to wear in order to get laid, and how to gaslight girls into doing what you want... And they are surprised the culture there is mostly juvenile and sex obsessed?

The magazine covers featuring a young naked woman bent over with a baby raccoon crawling all over her ass wasn't enough of a hint that Vice Magazine wasn't exactly a source of outstanding journalism?

 

Well, the assumption is that you can be juvenile and sex obsessed without committing crimes. Anyone claiming that that was impossible is saying that the magazine advertises illegal behaviour. I think that way of thinking leads straight back to puritanism. Surely we can do better?

 

"a young naked woman bent over with a baby raccoon crawling all over her ass"

go on.....

 

Would you settle for Kavanaugh being on the Supreme Court?