Time to End the Climate Gravy Train

"I'm goin' off the rails on a gravy train...."

dude.... don't use that for the meat pie recipe!

I didn't know we were taking auditions for Dayton's replacement...

Satisfaction that results from being right when others are wrong.

I can prove climate change isn't real using simple logic:

1: Liberals believe climate change is real.
2: Liberals are wrong about everything.
Therefore:
3: Liberals are wrong about climate change.

Also, it's snowing where I am right now. It wouldn't be snowing if climate change was real. I mean, it was like 55 degrees yesterday and last week, but that's not important because it doesn't support my narrative.

Suck it libtards!

For some of the more devout Christians, in my experience, I think it's classic cognitive dissonance. God made the climate, and despite all the evidence, for humans to be arrogant enough to think they can break (or fix) something God made is blasphemous.

The author has not published a single paper on climate science of any sort, and has worked for 10 coal companies in high-level management.

But let’s get specific:

All good so far.

This before there was even such a thing as climate science. If course he was going to get a few things wrong.

No, thousands of scientists did that. Al Gore (badly, possibly counterproductively) promoted their work.

First sentence is right, but the second sentence is garbage. The real So They is “so they updated their models with new data and parameters to make them better.” IM very skeptical O, this happened around 2008 +- 4 years. And it turns out that the previous models weren’t completely wrong, as I think most people had hoped. A matter of coefficients, not exponents.

I won’t dispute that there’s been some extremely annoying conflation of climate change with other pollution, but it’s coming from activists, not scientists. But as far as the scientists are concerned, shit’s still getting fucked, yo.

No doubt the author will now tell us exactly how it’s false, with science.

The models include all of these now. They are tiny effects that don’t affect the trend curves. El Niño is the only one that has significant year-year effects, and without it, 1998 would have been right on trend. And let’s not ignore the utterly unsupported assertion that humans can never affect atmospheric CO2 or global temperatures. That’s a plain lie. You’re getting duped, @Marso. How does it make you feel to know you’re being given lies to spread?

True. But it’s what our current biosphere evolved to deal with. Change it too fast, and a mass extinction will occur. We are changing it way too fast.

Here would be a good place for a chart. But neither the link nor the original piece have one, because it doesn’t exist.

Not wrong, just a red herring. The fact of ocean acidification tells the rest of the story: that the increase in CO2 is being partially absorbed by oceans mitigating even larger increases in air temperature. But it wreaks havoc on especially shellfish and corals (and anything that depends on them) but also other sea life in the process.

No one’s saying no one will benefit from climate change. But most of the biosphere will not.

Were that the sole force at work here, it wouldn’t show up in the temperatures over decades.

Even if you were completely scientifically illiterate (Hi @Marso!) this should jump out at you as utter nonsense. Heat evaporates water, not cold ashen skies. Hence the increased frequency of large hurricanes we’ve been seeing.

Hilarious how he acknowledges that an albedo increase would mitigate temperature increases, but utterly ignores the currently-decreasing albedo from particulates landing into ice and snow.

Wannabe survivalist wankery. Ice ages do not happen in a timespan of decades absent a major forcing function like a comet. When a natural one comes, it will happen over millennia. We are talking about climate change over the course of a lifetime or two.

Read: what my bosses at 10 different coal companies have paid me to push. CO2 emissions *could* stave off an ice age. There’s just no evidence in the slightest that’s what we’re doing. We could even cause a local climate change in Northern Europe making London more like Winnipeg than like Marseille. That could happen over as little as a few years if too much meltwater from Greenland goes into the North Atlantic Circulatory Current. This is backed by actual science, by the way. This guy doesn’t have so much as a preprint paper he can claim the global climate conspiracy is blocking him from publishing; he’s just pulling everything out of his ass.

Taxes that would be refunded to consumers. Worst power grab ever. A gravy train where the academics get paid shit (24k), bureaucrats get 97k/year on average, while coal company directors like the author average over 330k. Also speculators are happy to work both sides. They’re working the climate change side because, well, it’s actually happening.

A conclusion not supported by anything. You’re a dupe at best, @Marso.

This is something you’d expect in the middle of winter, right?

Study Confirms Climate Models are Getting Future Warming Projections Right

Source: https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2943/...are-getting-future-warming-projections-right/

hey, Augusta is on the map! Fuck a tornado, I'm going to Cracker Barrel with my wife tonight, and getting up at 0400 to get ready for deer hunting - last day of the season tomorrow!
Yes 78 degrees is a bit warm for winter, but it sure beats 10 inches of snow which we have experienced a few years back around this time of year.

Millions of bucks, but what they don't realize is that it goes to oil company execs, not them.

I am not sure about decades ago, but it happened when I lived in birmingham and around mobile a couple of times, and it happens down here in florida when we have a nasty front come through with massive temp changes. I also remember some nasty winter thunderstorms coming through charlotte while I lived there, but the damage was mainly from high winds and microbursts and not actual confirmed tornadoes.

I would actually say the more common heavy snowfalls to the east of the mountains in those southern states to be much more of a sign of shifting weather. You probably have a couple of high temp summer weeks in winter normally, but to have more than a dusting of snow and have the actual roads freeze during the daytime was supposed to be odd for them.

70 degrees here in Charlotte in the middle of fucking January for what it's worth. And 2019 was the hottest year in recorded history for NC. Nothing to see here.

Ever read Company Aytch by Sam Watkins? He was a badass Confederate soldier from Middle Tennessee and he talks about marching through knee-deep snow in this area during the Civil War as if it was something to be expected. I've lived here 30+ years and have yet to encounter snow that was more than ankle-deep. That's if we even get snow.

I was there three weeks ago doing farm work in short sleeves.

And if you've ever talked to the real old-timers (people who are now in their 90s) in this area (or the Carolinas), I'm sure you'll have heard about "hog-killing weather." You know, not only when it gets really cold, but can also be expected to stay that way for quite some time. It has been a while since that was a thing.

Professor @Marso disagrees!

I'm sure he'll be along to explain why shortly.

Our highs are in the 80s all next week. But then this is Florida. We don't do winter down here.

A hysteria-led boondoggle spreading a virus of misinformed manic teens and bad policies. Thousands of little Gores running around becoming millionaires lying a great con while chasing government grants. Wind farms butchering birds and blight on landscape, crazy solar subsidies pumping money down the drain along w environmentally unsound production of PV cells combined with toxic externalities of battery making - instead of sensible (not false agenda driven) policies e.g. promoting tech that furthers clean(er) nat gas replacing the dirtiest coal for electricity.

Meanwhile for decades the "Attenborough channel" (previously called the BBC) spread false narrative of dead polar bear and ice-free arctic by 2000, 2010, and 2020. A park in Montana destroying signs that said glaciers will be “gone by 2020.” To be replaced with “Currently, they are rapidly shrinking due to human-accelerated climate change. When they will completely disappear, however, depends on how and when we act." Spread outright lies about the denuding of "our" Amazon "lungs."

Germans scoring super solar cred despite pumping out massive coal-based emissions (shh, if we don't cover it only the right wing press will and we'll just call 'em crackpots). While those same AGW devout cultists dropping nuke power (Germany has something like 10 times the emission of France while the latter pays around 60% of Germany's cost for power).

Plus, everything is because of global warming. A mild winter, a cool summer. AGW. A strong hurricane, tornados hitting the US of all places. AGW baby, pull up the ol' "study," we've been through this. A cold winter, a hot summer (obviously). No mention of past few years when Aussie fires were lower than avg - that's counter narrative. Today broadcast 24/7 AGW church gospel with the terrible fires there, or 2018-19's CA wildfires (psst: don't mention the war, or the rampant government malpractice). Silence about the emission of the recent volcano that dumped out, what, 2 Chinas worth of CO2 (at current rates) for five or ten years all in a short period a while back?

Objectively not the case. It's a science-led alarm spreading the bad news that we're all fucked because of the greed of coal, oil, and gas companies, some of which are being hijacked for questionable pet policies. The science is real though and we need to get CO2 emissions drastically down yesterday (preferably 10,000 yesterdays ago).

No doubt you can show me a long list of climatologist millionaires from government grants. Or like, even a dozen. Five? Can you show me five? How about one if that's too hard. Surely there's at least one.

You're not wrong about this part, although if you're like most climate change deniers, you're rather overselling the battery production costs to the environment. And the blightiness of wind farms is just an opinion.

You're wrong about this part. We need to be building new nuclear plants, not more natural gas plants. Wind and solar are ok, but only for now. As their penetration rises, they become less and less economical or sustainable (ie. they will never replace base load except at 3-5x nameplate installation capacity, which is wildly expensive).

What amazing reasons to disbelieve overwhelming evidence. Please, provide me the scientific credentials of the park designer and BBC editorial team. Also, the fact that you see replacing an inaccurate sign with a more accurate one as a bad thing just speaks volumes.

Environmentalists who are actually paying attention are between quite unhappy and absolutely outraged with Germany for this, so I don't know what kind of points you think you're scoring here. Your complaints about the press not covering it are well-taken, but then, when has the press ever covered anything right?

Okay, pull up the (straw) studies. I think you'll find relatively little in the way of individual events attributed to climate change in the literature, just the increase in the individual events' numbers. And no one cares about volcanoes erupting (if anything, climate scientists are happy about it) because they also spew out massive quantities of SO2 that offset the CO2 emitted by reflecting the shortwave IR before it can hit the ground, be reemitted as long wave IR, and be reflected back down by the CO2.

In short, you have a number of legitimate gripes with the media and activist groups, that have jack squat to do with the actual science of climate change, and don't in the least justify your dismissal of it. I hope you're actually being paid by a gas company, because to deliberately ignore reality without even a paycheck behind it is just... sad as fuck.

Hunting this morning and good thing I always have it in my ruck, because mosquitos were so thick I had to fire up the THERMACELL! Normally at zero dark thirty hunting in January I have my winter stocking cap and thick socks on. Yes Augusta this summer broke a record for the most consecutive days over 90 degrees - 112 days or something to that effect!

The closest Oldfella will ever come to approaching Samuel Pepys. Unless he mentions his wife's muff.

that flew so far over my head my SAM couldn't begin to reach it. Okay I had to google Samuel Pepy - so sue me! Interesting sounding guy, but that aside I'm still not getting the winter cap, thick socks, and wife's muff connection.

He would occasionally comment on the need for seasonal changes of clothing ("Today put on my winter's cape") in his diaries despite that being spectacularly uninteresting.

The "wife's muff" thing might only be amusing to UK types. He once wrote that "Today I did first wear a muff, being my wife's last year's muff" i.e. he wore his wife's old one. A muff is a type of handwarmer (like a woolly tube you'd put both hands into) but is also UK slang for prominent female pubic hair (and I've put both hands into that on occasion too).

Did I ask anyone to quit your cult or stop paying out your dollars and dimes? [Of course it hurts the poorest most, so the cultists contradict themselves here.]

No. I pointed out two main premises which remain indisputable, and then proceeded with minor rant. Piss poor policy fueled by charlatans and opportunists. And the collateral disservice (of the exaggerations and lies) of a new generation of brainwashed hysterical kids, probably exacerbating problems of an already stressed-out generation.

And I'm among one of the most vocal proponents of nuke power. I was almost certainly the first person here who claimed that Sen Warren was probably disqualified for her pov on nuke power alone. I simply contrasted the godawful "solar and wind is future" abomination with 'why not instead coax dirty coal to cleaner nat gas.' That addressed the past decade or two of mismanaged policy.

Any minute now.

As I've said here and other places, the Earth in different epochs has been much warmer and much colder than it is right now. There have been no fewer than four mass extinctions over the course of life on this planet.

My assertion has ALWAYS been that climate change, in one direction or another, is primarily driven by that big ball of nuclear fusion known as Old Father Sol, NOT the activities of mankind over the past couple centuries, and CERTAINLY not the flatulence of cows and other hysterical bullshit like that.

What we're seeing here is nothing new, merely a favorite tactic used by those who hunger for more power, control, and your money: Never let a crisis go to waste, not even a perceived one. These folks are cashing in on the gullibility and fear of the simple minded. Like P.T. Barnum once said: "There's a sucker born every minute." That's why anyone who threatens the narrative gets screamed down- can't make any bank that way.

Does it mean we can't do better as a species? Sure we can, if we get a whole lot smarter than we're being now, and quit trying to turn it into a gigantic wealth confiscation scheme with taxes, and bullshit like carbon credits. But whether we do anything or not, the old solar cycles are going to continue and the Earth is gonna heat up or cool down like it's gonna do.

If y'all really want something to be skeered about, worry about the Yellowstone caldera. That's a supervolcano that's several tens of thousands of years overdue for a blow-off.

When it happens, your global warming worries are over. In Idaho I'll be dead about 30 minutes after it goes. Down Under, Bailey will probably have anywhere from 3-6 months. Nuclear-winter style extinction level event for all hands, folks. Probably a fresh ice age on top of that. Humans will be part of the geological fossil record, and our worries will be over. Sleep tight.

Nope. @Order2Chaos took the time to refute your original post point by point. Respond to that directly, or admit you've got nothing but empty posturing.

It's okay. You don't have to believe in the ocean, either, but if you jump in you still get wet.