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  1. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    No, you need to understand that when people make comments like "made up of partisan appointments" they mean the appointments went to people of the "wrong" views. If it was all liberal activist idiots on the bench, why, those wouldn't be partisan appointments at all.
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  2. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    cpurick??
    I thought I killed you.
    Well, fuck, who the Hell was that then?
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  3. El Chup

    El Chup Fuck Trump Deceased Member Git

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    No it would be partisan if they were all liberal as well.

    In the UK politicians do not nominate and appoint senior judges. An independent, non-partisan commission does it. That helps preserve the political neutrality of the courts, something your senior courts seriously lack.
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  4. Zombie

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    Hilarious that you think your courts aren't partisan.
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  5. El Chup

    El Chup Fuck Trump Deceased Member Git

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    Go look at our Supreme Court judgments and find me one that is overtly partisan.

    I appreciate that judges will have political views, but most of our judges are nonetheless reliable and come to the right judicial decisions irrespective of politics. Plus, of course, the point of the commission is to ensure that an appointee is not overtly political.
  6. Dinner

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    It goes both ways though usually the snarl word used changes with political affiliation. The right wing loves to complain about "activist judges" no matter how well sourced and supported a ruling was. If they dislike the ruling then they declare the judge an activist. On the other side you have people complaining about supposed "partisan judges" for nearly identical reasons.
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  7. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    There hasn't exactly been a whole lot of case law in the last 9 years or less since it was created. Also what that court covers is a hell of a lot less jurisdiction than SCOTUS. It also gets much less coverage so most people probably couldn't even name a single case. Not even in the UK.
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  8. cpurick

    cpurick Why don't they just call it "Leftforge"?

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    And what makes committee members "independent" and "non-partisan"? If these "independent" committee members have their own values, then those will be applied when judging the fitness of nominees. There is no escaping it.

    The left tends to see a liberal reality governed by liberal rules -- rules followed by people who can be "independent". The right sees a different reality, and anyone who thinks it works on liberal rules, no matter how centrist or conservative they hold themselves out to be, is already an agent of the left.
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  9. El Chup

    El Chup Fuck Trump Deceased Member Git

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    :rotfl:

    The Supreme Court is the old Judicial Committee of the House of Lords renamed, which was simply moved out of the Palace of Westminster and rehoused. It has been the ultimate appellate court in the UK for hundreds of years. :lol:

    I love it how you think you're an expert on something through a 1 minute Google.

    Also, the US having a wider jurisdiction somehow means our cases are less complex? What sort of idiotic argument it that? :unuts:
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  10. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    That wasn't a ban...it was just pumping the breaks temporarily...and it was in direct response to the Bowling Green Massacre.
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  11. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    @Dinner is talking out of his jaundiced ass again. If anything, UK courts have exercised far greater jurisdiction than US courts (e.g. universal jurisdiction as in the Pinochet case, among other heinous crimes in which the UK exerts universal jurisdiction). Universal jurisdiction in the US is practically nonexistent.
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  12. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    I'll let y'all in on a deep, dark secret: there's no such thing as "nonpartisan." Human beings have biases. That's just how the species is wired.
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  13. Dinner

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    We are talking about one specific court in the UK which was formed in 2009, jr. It can't even review rulings of all the courts in the UK, for instance in Scotland it can only review civil court rulings, so it is very fair to say it has a much smaller jurisdiction than the US Supreme Court.
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  14. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

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    Why did courts in the UK rule against Pinocchio? I felt Geppetto was the real culprit.
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  15. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Trust you to defend a wooden-headed dummy with a penchant for lying. :garamet:
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  16. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

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    Bet you wished you written that story.
  17. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    That's all fine, if you didn't have Giuliani on record talking about how Trump wanted a ban and it was his job to find loopholes to get as close as possible to that.
  18. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    It's fascinating how many WF trolls are far more unhappy with my career than I am.
  19. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

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    You had a career?! Wow! Same here.
  20. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Penalty for misuse of tenses. I have a career.
  21. Dayton Kitchens

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    Then I'll ignore the rumor...
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  22. Zombie

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    Even if what Giuliani said is true, and I'll for sake of the argument concede that it is true, it's still irrelevant.

    Fact: Ban was temporary.
    Fact: Ban was only against seven countries.
    Fact: The countries that were temporarily banned were chosen by the Obama administration. Trump's administration was simply continuing the process that Obama's administration had already started.
    Fact: Only 8% of the worlds Islamic followers were affected by this ban. There was no ban on all Islamic followers.

    Doesn't matter what Trump said or wanted because in the end only what is done matters.
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  23. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    That would be a first for you, Coach.
  24. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    1) As @El Chup already explained, it was a reformation of a court in existence for centuries.
    2) As I stated, it has exercised universal jurisdiction for crimes against humanity occurring in a completely different country against non-British citizens. It's jurisdictional reach is far greater than any US court.

    You really gotta learn to read past the first paragraph of a Wikipedia entry.
  25. El Chup

    El Chup Fuck Trump Deceased Member Git

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    Funnily enough my colleagues and I won a case in the House of Lords Judicial Committee in 1999 and the case was the very next case after the Pinochet one. We even kept being bumped back because of it. But I’m sure the racist thinks I am inventing these memories. :lol:
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  26. Soma

    Soma OMG WTF LOL STFU ROTFL!!!

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    1999? If I may inquire, how old are you, Chuppie?
  27. El Chup

    El Chup Fuck Trump Deceased Member Git

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    Early forties. That’s relevant why exactly?
  28. Soma

    Soma OMG WTF LOL STFU ROTFL!!!

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    Just curious.
  29. El Chup

    El Chup Fuck Trump Deceased Member Git

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    Nosey you mean. ;)
  30. Soma

    Soma OMG WTF LOL STFU ROTFL!!!

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    Extremely. :)