Trouble in America

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  1. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    oh, never mind... fucked up tags...

    you really went apples to atomics, there.

    obviously a traffic ticket is going to leave you as emotionally scarred as missing recess.
    and you have a serious lack of understanding about encounters with bastard cops if you think they're brief and uneventful.
    and face it... the racist/homophobe teacher is one that won't last long.
    the same type of cops that can and will leave you bloody in a field are outnumbered only by their fellow officers who will look the other way.
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  2. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    here's the thing about a warrior mentality. I was a warrior (you were too even if you never served in combat zones or during open/active hostilities) but I still didn't go ape shit and suffocate people. There's nothing wrong with being a warrior when you have the discipline & training to dial it back.
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  3. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    was your business partner in the military? Were you in the military? The reason I ask is policing is a large part of being in the military. Thus the difference between being in the military and policing is not that great. Well there is one difference - cops are actually less likely to get in trouble when they kill people unnecessarily. :brood: Also we usually get rid of our bad apples before they spoil the whole bunch.
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    Screen to find the one's who can't dial it back and train those who can be trained to dial it back. The idea of community policing is hated by many cops, and it's not a panacea. But the idea that if the cops know the people they are policing and are seen as trying to help keep those people safe, it's got to make a difference. The idea that we can stop every crime is a pipe dream no matter how many people we arrest, throw in jail, brutalize during arrests or whatever is pure fantasy. But striving to make neighborhoods safer and creating a positive relationship between police and the people they're policing strikes me as a goal we can and should work toward.
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  6. MikeH92467

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    I'm not military, neither was Ben. We are both military brats and proud to say it. The problem is that being a soldier is a matter of kill or be killed. Policing is not. Using military in police roles may be part of the reason efforts to win hearts and minds in foreign theaters have been mixed, at best. As for the term "warrior" it's been used and abused to the point where it's real meaning has been lost. Being able to fight doesn't make someone a "warrior".
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    Wonder how many folks saw this and decided that they wanted to be a cop?



    "There's a war going on out there!" And in most wars today, it's the civilians who pay suffer the most in terms of things like casualties.
  8. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    Not to pick on teachers exclusively (I am very priviliged and almost all of mine were wonderful or at least adequate.)

    But teachers have a whole lot more influence than cops in a lot of ways. You have to carry the echos of what happened in 2nd grade or 11th grade with you for the rest of your life, and those things came when you were not particularly well equipped to deal with them. If a bad cop hassles you as an adult, you have more mechanisms to potentially deal with that trauma. You get bad grades or internalize self-hatred and that can have a cascading effect in a way that your average poor interaction with a cop is pretty unlikely to.

    However, all this is besides the point of my initial question.

    Even assuming for argument that cops are WAY bigger bastards and WAY more likely to deeply harm people and WAY more likely to get away with being such than teachers/businesspeople/etc, that does not change that the same reasoning behind ACAB applies to people in those other professions.

    So are ATAB, ABPAB, etc? Why don't people say or think so for the same reasons?
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    BP? Oh, black people. Does C = conservatives? I could support that argument.
  10. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    Dunno what hiccup happened there, but what I probably had said was essentially something I've since said in response to other posts: that even accepting for argument's sake that police are bigger bastards than people in other professions, that doesn't change that same logic that leads to ACAB should apply to have people say all teachers/business people/etc. are bastards. And yet, as far as i know, they don't.
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    I meant All Teachers Are Bastards, All Business People Are Bastards...
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    call me when you have (lots of different)video(s) of teachers killing students and not facing charges...
    then I'll happily call them bastards.
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  13. steve2^4

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    His point is all cops are not bastards. I'm not sure who we're refuting.
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    Yeah, I don't know if I'd be that gentle if someone jumped on the hood of my car like that.
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    Yes. Killed whole generations of kids. Not physically but spiritually.

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    Apparently the county attorney feels there might not be enough evidence to convict...even though the officer was just arrested.
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    No, he did at least have a father.

    Look up his Diary Thread, if the mods haven't wiped it.

    You didn't wipe it, right guys?

    I mean, that would be a dick move, wiping a massive thread to save database space just because the poster who created it had been permabanned and had no rights to the thread whatsoever.
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  20. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    Again, accepting for argument's sake the worst things teachers can do (such as emotionally scar you for life, sexually molest you, set up your future failure as a professional) are not as bad as the worst things cops can do (kill you, rape you, humiliate you), that doesn't change that the things that teachers can do are bastards

    I am saying the average encounter with a bastard cop is going to be relatively brief and uneventful. Typical traffic stop is going to be 15 minutes to a half-hour. A prolonged one, about an hour. Being questioned because you fit the description, and even being brought down to the station for questioning? Maybe two hours. Obviously, a lot can happen in that time, and when things go bad, they can go really bad. But most of the time, it is not going to go that badly.

    You must be kidding me if you think that racist/homophobic teachers aren't going to last long. They have as much protection for their jobs as bad police do, maybe more.
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  21. oldfella1962

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    not enough evidence? :huh: Let's see....crystal clear video with audio. Suspect was alive before he was detained (no shit but work with me here) yet suspect was dead after the cop put his knee on the suspects neck for around seven minutes give or take. Not a legal expert but it sounds like a pretty solid case to me.
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    how do I disagree with myself. I'm so confused.
  23. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    What got Dayton permabanned?
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    another camel/back thing.
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    The kneeler has been arrested.
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    Or not.


    Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., denied reports that she had failed to prosecute the former cop who kneeled on George Floyd's neck before he died in police custody in an earlier officer-involved shooting.

    Klobuchar, the former top prosecutor in Hennepin County, which includes Minneapolis, called the reports a "lie."

    "This idea that I somehow declined a case . . . against this officer is absolutely false," she told MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell on Friday, adding that she now believes it was "wrong" to leave the decision to a grand jury.

    The interview came after The Minneapolis Star-Tribune and The Guardian noted that Klobuchar ran the Hennepin County Attorney's office in 2006. The office did not charge officer Derick Chauvin and others in the October 2006 death of a man who reportedly threatened police. The case was later dismissed by a grand jury after Klobuchar had already started a new job as senator.