Trouble in Cuba

Could communism be failing once again? The fake news part about this story is that these protesters are demanding vaccines. I couldn't find a source that isn't pushing this narrative, no the media isn't biased and would never lie to us. I speak un poquito Spanish, but others online are saying that none of these protesters are saying anything about Covid vaccines.

How's Haiti been the last few decades?

A shithole.

They're even storming the Palace of the Revolution. Amazing. That shit would never happen here. Communism is failing, comrades, capitalism speaks loud and strong. The US needs to intervene before its too late.

A capitalist sithole.

Sorry, the knee jerk response is traditional.

Did the mob storming Congress signal the death knell of democracy by the way?

As I’ve been trying to tell you, communism always fails.

That was a picture of Washington DC.

You know that feeling you get when someone walks right into something you took care in setting up? I'm feeling that right now. It's nice. It's a nice feeling.

Unlike Cuba, capitalism is not the primary factor as to why Haiti is a shithole. Contrary to what the left would have you believe, our country is not teetering on the edge of losing our democracy. Why you guys insist on focusing on one day that went to shit as opposed to last summer when so many more people died as a result of the riots.

Doesn’t make my statement any less true.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1914-1920/haiti

Your point?

Yet you've gone out of your collective way to undermine Cuba for years.

If communism always fails why do you always feel the need to make sure it does?

And why do you treat is as such a threat?

Face it, you're in dire need of getting your own house in order without wasting attention on the same tired old bogeyman.

The horrors of communism are not the fault of the United States or any other country, are the direct result of the dictatorial regimes. Get the fuck out if you’re going to defend that shit and try and gaslight me into thinking we were worse, we weren’t and you damn well know it.

There were over 3600 BLM protests. 20 people died - and about half of them from far right violence.

There was 1 capitol insurrection. 5 people died, and that was an overt attempt to overthrow our democracy.

So yes, our democracy is in trouble, and yes, you've been told all this before, you just prefer to believe the lies that tell you that your side hasn't rejected democracy and science. When the right clearly has.

Shit, it really does look bad. I guess that's what happens to communist dictators, eventually the people have enough and rise up.







There's no way these photos were taken in a country with a legitimate system of government.

When you're right, you're right.

France punishing Haiti and forcing former slaves to pay restitution until 1947 to be free played a big part in them having no money for anything else.

Famous last words.

You realize 1/6 wasn't just one day that went to shit? It was, at a bare minimum, 5 years' worth of days gone to shit, beginning with Trump courting the white nationalist base, tearing off the veneer of respectability the GOP had and laughing as gullible rubes like you took the fall. Where is Trump now? Still grifting while his loyal supporters (the ones who have gotten caught) are rotting in jail.

Even the GOP knows none of this would have happened without his rhetoric. No one was trying to kill George H W's VP in '91 when he lost to Clinton, nor for Jimmy Carter before that.

Come on, "historian", even Dayton gets this.

Hey look, @oldfella1962 's back with his whataboutism.

I said riots, not protests.

Cuba hasn't been truly communist in years, let's not mince words.

It has, however, been allegedly collapsing for years and despite all the billions you've spent trying to make sure that happens it's still there.

You've spent decades building and deploying an absurdly large military to deal with the threat of communism whilst claiming it is self defeating.

So which is it, existential threat or self defeating farce?

From the outside it looks very much as though you have been aggressively competing with rivals and using that threat as a justification for military and economic hegemony.

Yes communism has led to some appalling events in history, but so has every political system.

If communism dooms a country to fail, why are the economies of China and Vietnam so good?

Also, it's news to me that Cuba is still communist. Don't they allow ownership of private property?

It's extremely suspect that America pours all this energy into a country that hasn't even had a single new car imported there in my mom's lifetime as some unique danger, yet they hobknob with Saudi Arabia, the country that single-handedly bankrolled 9/11

I see we're going to play the "communism wasn't that bad" game and the "definition" game. Sorry, but I'm not going to go through this ridiculous exercise.

Yes, absolutely ridiculous, it's not like they had nuclear missiles pointed at us or anything.

That might be underselling it.

Considering how brief a time period communism was in power and how few countries relatively adopted it, the death toll was pretty damn sobering. The Red Terror, the suppression of Counter Revolutionaries in China, Stalin's Great Purges, the Holodomor in the Ukraine, the massive famines caused by Mao's Great Leap Forward, the Khmer Rouge genocide, Tibet, North Korea... Now the Uighurs.

Yes, you can put a lot on religion and capitalism in general, but for compressed horror, it's hard to beat what we saw in the 20th century under communism.

You started this thread and no one's claiming anything of the sort. I'm no communist, never claimed to be.

They're pointing out you have to look long and hard at several of your assumptions, not least of which is the fact that you really aren't seeing the contradiction in saying communism always fails whilst China is in the ascendancy.

So did you.

I'm not saying communism wasn't that bad, nor am I even asking for a definition of communism. I'm saying that the Cuba of 60 years ago is vastly different from Cuba today. Private property ownership exists in Cuba today, and that is antithetical to communism.

But if Cuba truly is still communist, and if communism is really a predictor that a country will fail, how do you explain the success of China and Vietnam?

Yes and no.

It's easy to point to a specific subset of "horrors" which conveniently support your case.

Communist nations are noted for overt humitarian abuses committed by their governments, but less so for aggressive military and economic exploitation of other nations and their citizens, not to mention the implicit outsourcing of ruthlessness to private concerns.

There are protests everywhere from time to time. But independence cannot be tolerated, so obviously these ones must lead to the downfall of the Cuban state. And 60 years of a murderous blockade have nothing to do with it.