Trump bans Transgendered in military.

Yes I get it would be a rough life. My point was despite what he felt like inside at the time, he was still very much a male with male hormones, muscles, etc. when he achieved his athletic goals.

fair enough but his male body was competing against the male bodies of other athletes. That's the point/definitionof fair competition - people of pretty much equal abilities trying to see who has that .000001 percent extra skill or luck to win on that particular day. Every athlete has their personal internal motivations/desires/reasons for competing but we can only measure tangible results. If a heavyweight fighter feels like a flyweight fighter inside good for him - but he still has to fight other heavyweights.

This soul/body or brain/body dualism bullshit is superstitious nonsense rooted in religion. Thoughts and feelings are real, physical states of the person that has them; everything else is a ghost story in the making.

true enough "stop loss" is a real ass kicker no doubt about it. That said I guarantee there is a "needs of the army" clause in everyone's contract. And if there's a war on you won't get much help trying to beat a stop loss situation. And yes besides major issues standards can and do change on trivial issues during your contract term and you aren't always grandfathered. For example if the army suddenly says body fat percentages for a 30 year old are now 22 instead of 24 percent you better drop from 24 to 22 within the allotted time given or you hit the bricks. Good reason to never just barely meet the standards if you can help it - try to greatly exceed the standards and you have more wiggle room.

losseDoes Anna even know what stop loss is? Why did she nev rep that post of all posts?

Her identity never changed, she just had a male body and became an athlete as an attempt to appear manly, probably hoping it would make her feelings go away. But they didn’t because she wasn’t a man. This is why the preferred way to describe this is saying she was “assigned male at birth”, she didn’t get a choice in the matter. Saying she used to be a man is simplifying the situation so much that it’s no longer accurate. Like how saying a gay man in the closet isn’t gay until they come out. Being cis gender is not the default position for humans, it’s just the more common.

sorry but "becoming an athlete" to appear manly and WINNING MEDALS IN THE OLYMPICS are not the same thing. Dude can call himself whatever he wants but he competed as a man against men and anything less would be extremely unfair. In his mind he might have felt like a woman but if your ass is winning Olympic medals against other men you are a man, full stop.

She was probably negging your odor.

Or a bunch of men got their asses kicked by a trans woman.

well yes.

There is a sort of dualism in the conflict between mentality and outward physicality (not unlike, for example, phantom limb syndrome) but to press that distinction too far is to forget that one's brain/mental/identity self is a result of a physical state just as much as the physical phenotype is.

he/she was a MAN at the time he/she competed. I know, this is very, very difficult for you to grasp.

You seem like the one having problems. I have a pretty decent understanding of trans people because I care enough to actually try to understand.

Exactly the brain has a sort of map for the body, to the point where if you close your eyes and wave your hand in front of them, there is a weird visual effect despite the complete darkness. I don’t get why some would deny that sometimes there is a conflict between the mental map and the body itself. We’re not perfect machines coming off an assembly line, there are variations and a spectrum of possibilities.

you might have a decent understanding of trans people but you don't seem to understand basic human physiology very well, or the concept of time very well. You know, like earlier events preceding later events and all that.

She was male bodied, but not a man. It should be a simple concept.

Damn Bizarro yes it is a simple concept. No matter what gender with which you may identify/relate to if you are physically still a man you compete against other men.
By "physically still a man" I mean musculature, frame size, lung capacity, and any other ways in which a male is different than a female.
As far as I know no post-event victory interview ever involved questions or comments about gender identity & how it related to their success that day. Correct me if I'm wrong of course.

When it was Dax in DS9, everyone including the conserv-ies followed along just fine.
Make it trans people on Earth, suddenly they get all stumble-y and disoriented.

subtitles motherfucker! Do you speak it?

What part confuses you?

this part: When it was Dax in DS9, everyone including the conserv-ies followed along just fine.
Make it trans people on Earth, suddenly they get all stumble-y and disoriented.

Given that trans people aren’t really given much consideration in society, it’s to be expected. Being cis is considered a given until a trans person says otherwise.

We all watched DS9, yes?
You know who and what Dax is, yes?
A being that has swapped genders throughout 3 centuries.
And it did so with surgical body swapping.
And you accepted this being as Dax no matter what skin suit it wore.
So you followed along just fine, yes?
Okay.

So why are transgendered people such a mind-bender for you?
Its even simpler than the whole Dax thing.

I never watched DS9. Transgendered are not a mind-bender for me. I get the concept. My point is if you eventually physically change your gender to a woman in 2015 (just picking a nominal date for purposes of this discussion) but were still a man in 1976 (nominal date again) when you competed then a man who felt like a woman inside but was still indeed a man defeated the other male athletes. Whether one of (or all of) the athletes went on to change their genders decades later is not relevant to what happened in 1976 when a group of male athletes competed against each other.

And we allow you to stick around because....???

It doesn't seem so.

Yes, that transgendered homo sapien from Earth named...

Wait...

Dax was an ALIEN BEING!?!?!?!?

WHY DIDN'T YOU MENTION THAT PART?!?!?!

YOU SNEAKY LITTLE MAGPIE.

And here I thought you were doing an apples to apples comparison and everything.

No, you clearly don't, not at all. Everything you have said about it over the last two pages or so is false. Not 'difficult to understand', just plain false as opposed to true, like a person pointing at you and saying, That's a woman.

Trans people's gender never changes, only the body and how they express themselves changes. Who they are as a person doesn't change, other than they're generally happier. Gender is what's in your brain and sex is what's between your legs. There's also gender expression which is how you act.

Yes, that's a glaring oversight. It's almost as if that might have been @Diacanu's point. You know, as in it's remarkable that some people have no trouble conceiving of an alien being that is a surgically implanted body-swapping intestinal worm with a penchant for card games, and yet understanding the reality of fellow humans living around them goes beyond their cognitive skills?

Aliens are so easy to understand and sympathize with. But other human beings? That’s just impossible.

Too stupid; didn't read