Trump Kicking and Screaming Transition Thread

Unless "we" vote Republican.

If we know they're infected, it's not quarantine. And that's important, because the point of quarantine is that you'll find out in a comparatively short time, as is the case with covid, where it's 8, maximum 14 days. Then there's isolation for confirmed patients, which also works for covid because the illness stops being infectious after a short time, and because we can test for it. Both quarantine and isolation are worthwhile because contact constitutes a risk for infection. They are feasible because they are short.

None of this, not one bit if it, is true for AIDS. It doesn't show itself quickly, it isn't over quickly, it isn't infectious by contact and in the early days you're talking about, we couldn't test for it. In the real world, we knew that none of this applied almost certainly and almost immediately. In your world, we didn't, which makes it a mystery whom you'd have wanted to separate from whom and for how long.

A quarantine of gay people?

He doesn't have the balls to say it, but that's what he means, which is why he @K. 's explanation.

Considering it was referred to as "the gay disease" (the polite word) at the time, and still is in some circles, just as Der Drumpfenfuhrer keeps referring to the "China flu," the tendency to blame the victim is ingrained in American Puritanism and isn't going away anytime soon.

Yeah, I was just making the unspoken subtext out there in plain view....

In fairness, I think a lot of people use the word "quarantine" (a time/place to separate people who may have been exposed to a disease to see if they develop it) when they mean "isolation" (a separation of people who have a disease to curb its spread.)

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/index.html

Well, when they said they was gonna lock us away with a bunch of omes, we was all for it, weren't we, Sand?

Comedy gays might have made homosexuality less threatening and I don't blame Kenneth Williams and others for trying, but the camp gay stereotype still got the "meh, who fucking cares if they die?" treatment from the right.

Yes, and a lot of people don't wear masks because they think they're made by Satan. Getting this stuff right is kind of important right now. And @Lanzman's mistake isn't misusing a word for an otherwise fair point; his point collapses as soon as the correct words are used.

Did I say anything about quarantining gays? No, I did not. What I was originally pointing out was that an unknown infectious disease was at loose on the land and a possibly effective course of action that might have slowed or contained it was disallowed for fairly silly reasons. End of line.

So, who exactly should have been quarantined to contain the gay virus?

And yet you are unable or unwilling to say what that course of action would have been. If you think it's so obvious, spit it out and say what you think: Whom would you isolate, and for how long?

Where on earth did this "for all we knew it could have been airborne, so why not quarantine all the gays" thing come from? Its link to sexual behavior was known as of the very first public reports, right at the beginning of the Reagan administration, and as far as I can tell, nobody ever seriously thought it might be airborne.

As attempts to create some kind of "gotcha" moment go, this is a pretty lame one.

Surely the fact of being so closely linked to people of a given sexual persuasion was a giveaway as to the vector involved you'd have thought?

Thus the abject denial by the Reagan administration until it spread to heterosexual communities as well. Religious lunatics like Pat Robertson insisted it was "God's judgment on the Evil!" and if you scratch the average Republican legislator even today you'll find that lurking under the surface.

Then there's this clown, who just happens to be pastor for Trump's Cabinet (not that Donnie-boy would attend his meetings; he might have to learn how to hold the Bible right-side-up): https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...er-says-gays-among-those-blame-covid-n1168981

Apparently actor Rock Hudson was friends with the Reagans and came out of the closest months before he succumbed to AIDS in the vain hope that those ghouls would maybe give one solitary shit about speaking up. It took another two years before Reagan made any mention of the disease ONCE.

There were some rather bizarre theories floated at the time, however. One was that the disease was caused by consuming large amounts of semen. Another was that drug use destroyed one's immune system, thus leading to the disease. I saw an interview with one of the founders of ACT UP who was saying that in the early days within their organization they were debating about what caused it and if they should be telling people it was sexually transmitted or not because they simply didn't know.

Interestingly, as this episode of Radiolab explains, thanks to genetic analysis, we've been able to figure out that the first person infected with the disease was someone in Kinshasha in 1908. Thanks to tissue analysis, we've been able to discover that the disease was spreading in the US at least as far back as the 1960s, and I believe that tissue samples have been found in Africa that show the disease had come to the attention of doctors there in the 1930s. (The patient died of a mysterious illness that didn't respond to any treatment and the doctor saved a tissue sample which was analyzed a few years ago when it was rediscovered.)

The line I was fed at church at the time was that you caught it by having sex before marriage, hard to really imagine a less coherent theory to be frank.

I can remember people being in a panic that you might catch it from the water in a place like NYC or a toilet seat. There was an urban legend that a guy brought home a woman from a bar and woke up the next morning to find her gone and “Welcome to the world of AIDS” written in soap on the mirror. The comic strip Bloom County had a character who worried in one strip that he’d get hit by a bus “fall on a dirty soup spoon and catch AIDS.” (This was a satire of Americans panicking over the disease, not an implication that it was easy to catch.) Time magazine did an issue on the discovery that non-homosexual men were contracting the disease via things like blood transfusions and had “AIDS: Now No One is Safe” plastered on the cover in giant type. George Carlin did a routine where he said he wasn’t “going to be humping any homosexual Haitian hemophiliac heroin addicts.”

Fyi I searched that quoted phrase and got zero hits on Google.

Look up the Reagan biopic that aired on Showtime. It was originally supposed to air on CBS but got booted over to Showtime because it’s debated if he actually said that phrase or something similar to it. I know Dayton got his panties in a bunch over it and the Showtime biopic that used it.

Sounds like you don't understand science, or at least it sounds like you succumb to myths/urban legends very easily.

Until the late 90's my mother believed that HIV naturally occured in the butt and that it normally remained isolated there, and that gay sex tore the seal and let it spread to the rest of the body. But also you can catch it from kissing because there's so much blood in everyone's saliva.

A son like you, I could see why.

Wow guy, fuck you

Patrick's mother hacked his account again.

Another classic school yard burn.

Really? Because where I grew up, that wouldn’t have been worthy of a “yo momma” rebuttal.

It really was difficult trying to figure out which rep was most appropriate for Ghost's post. I started with GFY, then switched to facepalm. It could also qualify as disagree, tehbaba or sad.

Maybe the board's software should be updated so you can give fractional rep to cover situations where multiple categories apply.

most of them just stopped dying it?
almost all these dudes were old going in, often already past the avg life expectancy of their eras

few have ever been under 50 when taking office, and several in our lives have been double termers.