Trump moots declaring ANTIFA a terrorist organisation

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  1. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    so - given that antifa is shorthand for any antifascist group, you'd have someone charged because they answered yes to being antifascist.

    Am I gonna be in trouble for printing SHARP shirts 30 years ago, or being on stage crew for a couple of skafests?
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  2. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    You don't read anything I post here, do you? You just create a narrative in your head of what you think I post.
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  3. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Oh look another one who didn't read what I wrote.
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    Bad but virtually nonexistent as a political actor or social force.

    We white people generally suck in that we make up 70% of the population but don't commit the majority of murders, hate crimes, or really any violent crimes. The racist Islamic apologist Ilhan Omar recently opened her big stupid mouth and then got smacked in the face with reality and facts. ;lol:

    https://townhall.com/columnists/sco...-deaths-caused-by-white-men-n2550740?amp=true
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  5. Tuttle

    Tuttle Listen kid, we're all in it together.

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    I suspect the point is to get the masks banned. Lay good money the declaration never goes any further than that, all else remaining equal.

    But pretend for a second the tweet was on the merits - wouldn't hurt if Antifa disavowed the suicidal lunatic who recently attacked US government facility. At least a superficial "tsk tsk" to pretend the org isn't all just jobless losers mostly from basement society.
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  6. matthunter

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    What you post is wall-to-fucking-wall whataboutism. Every single fucking time.

    Excuses. Deflections.

    Then, like Dayton, you go off and post some stuff that's halfway reasonable in another thread and point at it to say "no, I'm actually against this stuff!" when we call you out for shielding racists, bigots, assholes, etcetera.

    Don't think we can't all fucking see it.

    Don't think you're that fucking clever.

    We can smell the shit on you, boy.
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  7. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    oh, I did...

    you're completely off on everything past "it's hard to call them a terrorist organization" because you then go on to set very flexible conditions on how to define them as such ("fascist bullies", past claims that anti fascists are the default initiators of violence) anyway.

    You'd do better at gaslighting with a zippo under your ass.
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  8. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    In other words, you actually didn't read what I posted.
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    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    "ICE is running around right now, without badges or uniforms or warrants, disappearing people--including US citizens--and locking them up, and fully half their agents belong to a Facebook group where they shared racist jokes, bragged about the violence they'd done to the "subhuman animals" they're locking up, and talked about how they wanted to assault and rape political figures they don't like." - Spaceturkey

    Fully half ICE members belong to that Facebook group? According to a story on NPR 15 (fifteen) ICE members shared racists jokes, bragged about violence, etc. So ICE only operates with 30 members totaled? Color me skeptical!
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    No, we just speak Boy.

    'Member how the Muslims always used to get called out for "saying one thing in English but another in Arabic"?

    You just said "In other words, you actually didn't read what I posted."

    But we know you well enough to translate it to "I'm a massive fucking tool who has no point and has been called on my bullshit so I'm gonna complain about being misunderstood".

    It loses something in the translation. The whiny tone in your voice and the muffled sobbing, mostly.
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  11. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    Jesse, it's time to cook...

    Does NOT mean "in a Dutch Oven".
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    Running a meth lab is kind of a job- so probably not an Antifa member.

    I heard one amateur headshrinker call the Antifa group a "lifestyle choice", which makes a lot of sense. It might be their idea of human social interaction, their chess club or substitute for a fraternity.

    My own guess is the vast majority of Antifa members would answer "yes" to the following questions (lucky me, only 2): did you do poorly in gym class, were you picked on or even bullied when younger, and are you mediocre with chicks?
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  14. matthunter

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    Shame all they had to ask you is "would you like some roubles?"
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  15. Paladin

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    Right or left doesn't matter. You use violence or the threat of violence for political purposes, you're a terrorist. The tactics I've seen used by Antifa frequently qualify. Yes, I know no one has an Antifa membership card; no one has an al-Qaeda one, either.

    Now, the guy who milkshakes a politician and the guy who flies a jetliner into a skyscraper are not the same level, and those cases should be appropriately differentiated by law in their scrutiny and prosecution.

    But the message should be delivered very clearly: you're not entitled to hurt or intimidate others for political purposes, no matter how noble you believe your beliefs, no matter how odious you believe theirs. Political violence isn't how democracies work, it's how they fail.
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  16. Tuttle

    Tuttle Listen kid, we're all in it together.

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    June called, wants its' joke back. [You sap.]

    Btw, did you hear that not only was the "Russia collusion" part a hoax, there was a double-hoax because Saint Robert wasn't even really in charge? Turned out Mueller was a prop, to give the whole affair some credibility. Or didn't that information penetrate to your island's media, yet?
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  17. Spaceturkey

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    so all those bugs bunny cartoons where he gets pied or rotten veggies thrown at is stage performance are terror training films?
    this isn't a matter of not in the same league, but an entirely different sport.

    meanwhile, from what I've seen here by attending demos/counter demos is not "antifa" carrying broken (sharpened) broomhandle flagpoles, smacking people with helmets, or tossing smoke cannisters.

    As the saying goes, if you want to know who started a riot, look first at those who came dressed for one

    I can also tell you that there are pretty emphatic suggestions on the antifasc side here not to carry anything that would have a primary purpose as a weapon/no common explanation to possess. We have a greater number of "moderate" types with us -clergy, unions, old hippie ladies-and with the optics of numbers being the most important thing, being overly prepared would risk alienating them.
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  18. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    You've several times over the past few weeks been shown data from law enforcement indicating that white supremacists account for a disproportionately high number of terrorist attacks, both in the US and Europe.

    I'm not sure why you keep on ignoring that simple fact.
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  19. Ten Lubak

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    Sure, label them a terrorist group. They're fucking terrible people

    But you've got to do it for the tighty whitey supremacy guys that show up to the same rallies too

    So that way when they have a rally you can just carpet bomb the whole thing and us normal people can all move on with our lives
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  20. RickDeckard

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    • First they came for the Jews
      and I did not speak out
      because I was not a Jew.
      Then they came for the Communists
      and I did not speak out
      because I was not a Communist.
      Then they came for the trade unionists
      and I did not speak out
      because I was not a trade unionist.
      Then they came for me
      and there was no one left
      to speak out for me.
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  21. Dayton Kitchens

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    That's just because no one likes you. Don't take it personally. I don't.
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    That was a lot of words to say "da".
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  23. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Classic liberal tactic, you have no argument so you turn to insults.:jayzus:
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    Nononono.

    You aren't going to listen to arguments, so we may as well poke some fun at you and help you look like an idiot. Not that you need assistance.
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  25. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    I always listen to arguments, you just don't pay attention.
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  26. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    first, it was ridicule, not insult.
    second, you'd already defaulted to repetition of a false statement.

    point, moi.
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  27. matthunter

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    Like I said, not buying it.

    I told you three weeks or so back in the detention camp thread. The time for going "yeah, but" is fucking over. Some things you don't let stand. You confront.

    You're letting 'em stand and on many occasions it seems like you're about to hand them a fucking beer.
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  28. Diacanu

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    Because JoJo-BoBo-6969 out in Bumble-fuck Indiana on Youtube says "Antifa is worse!", in a really charismatic and funny way, so it just has to be true.
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  29. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    What repetition of a false statement would that be?
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    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

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    Thank you for putting it so succinctly. This encapsulates why I oppose the methods (violence, harrassment, intimidation) of Antifa. But methods aside, fascist ideology is still by far the greater threat, since it has been flirted with or fully embraced by those much closer to the centers of power. I also have disagreements with many elements of the hodge-podge of leftist ideologies held by Antifa, but the chance of those beliefs being forcibly imposed is currently much less.
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