Trumpite Americans, when will you finally acknowledge that you’re traitorous assholes?

At least they still want to think racist like their rebel racist ancestors. They all seem to agree that thinking of brown people as equals is not what white jesus would have wanted.

perhaps we just need to finish the job of the civil war and wipe out the southern white nationalists and give their lands and property to black people and mexicans. frankly I would like some better neighbors of a more melanin concentrated variety.

Yeah, Firefly ain't aging well post 1/6.
If you want to watch criminals who resist the system, but without the sugar-coating, and white-washing "Black Sails" is much better.

can we sue?

No. Stop right there. Just because assholes like something doesn’t mean that something now belongs to the assholes. I still like Firefly, actually, just watch a run through last week or two weeks ago, so DO NOT push this show into right wing nutcase territory.

for all the USCW flavour, it kind of does match the Spanish civil war better, with the fascists overcoming the socialists...

But the Pax is socialism! It made everyone so lazy that they died! :lanzman:

And the Reavers are Nazis. Dangerous but surprisingly sympathetic because it's all the fault of socialism, and useful for when they start killing government employees so Mal can do his podcast.

Anyone who actually watches the show can see that it is VERY anti-US right wing.

First of all, Chinese seems to be the chosen language in that universe (it's just easier to speak in English to American audiences).
Second, they're so obviously gamers. and everyone knows the modern US right wing is adamantly against D&D and everything that goes after it.
Third, they're not conforming to societal dictates. They have an "alternative" lifestyle.
Fourth, their big bad is a woman
Fifth, Jayne is a girl's name
Sixth, their respectability is due largely to a sex worker
Seventh ... need I really go on?

Just like Star Trek, right wingers love the fantasy, but not the reality.

well, Anglo-Sino... which'd make sense that at the dawn of the 26th century there'd be a hybridizing of the two dominant languages... Spanglish and Franglais come to mind, as do any of a dozen hybrid languages around me. Side note; "Tam" is both an English and Chinese surname.

But yeah, definitely an anarcho-syndicalist collective as without the community the ship isn't getting into the sky, let alone staying there.

Back when it was new the figures who loved it most and practically made it part of their identity were those like Storm. Any intent on the part of the creators aside, the politics of its world seemed to really appeal to them.

I'd be more skeeved out of rewatching it now due to all the discoveries about Whedons behaviour.

I know. I don’t remember Storm specifically, but I do know … one … type of people who liked the show. It’s like I’ve been saying for years. We, the people, have more in common than those who would rather us be fighting each other would have us believe. Very few people actually want to be “bad”. And, some of them know how to manipulate the easily fooled - make them believe a certain group of people are “the enemy”. I don’t believe Paladin or Federal Farmer or. …. even Volpone are truly racist. They’re stupid and easily misled, but I doubt they are truly evil. They have been led to believe they are the righteous. They have been manipulated by use of values espoused in the tv show. Not sure how much of this type of bs is ingrained in the children of Australia, but it’s practically spoonfed to us here in the US. The truly evil part of it is that old adage - it’s easier to fool someone than to convince them they’ve been fooled.

Too late. He’s already got my money. Bought the DVD’s as soon as they came out. And, honestly, it didn’t even occur to me about Whedon (watched it on Netflix). But, now that you’ve brought it to my attention …, you’re right. No more streaming Firefly or Buffy/Angel for me.

I assume Nathan Fillion, Gina Torres, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Alyson Hannigan, David Boreanaz, Charisma Carpenter et. al. get residuals too, though.

Charisma Carpenter can stay on my couch if she's that hard up for cash.

Probably, but I doubt if it's enough to pay for a Netflix subscription. Less than one season doesn't exactly spell "goldmine" in reruns. I remember hearing Larry Linville talking about his residuals from M*A*S*H some years ago. He said it might have been enough to pay for his life insurance, but that was about it. I'm sure current SAG/AFTRA agreements are more generous, especially with so many streaming services that are desperate for content, but I would think at least four or five full seasons would be needed to make it worth everyone's while.

The right wing thinks We're Not Gunna Take it and Fortunate Son are their songs. I am pretty sure they have no idea what the fuck they are talking about.

Dee Snider is a great follow on Twitter for how much he makes that clear.

Jo-Jo Rabbit's pals were just dumb little kids who wanted to be in a cool club, but I wouldn't want one near me with a knife, gun, or grenade.

That’s fine and I get it; however, once something is out there, people are allowed to interpret how they wish and determine what it means to them. John Lennon famously expressed this opinion.

He isn't telling them they can't use it, he's just calling them out for the idiot POS they are.

That's the reason I described it as a trope. The cultural mythology has transcended it's association with real world mythmaking (that is, that at the time of the noble loner ex-rebel roaming the west - Hollywood was entirely saturated with the sort of folks who thought Gone With the Wind was a docudrama that reflected actual history...all this built up a cultural narrative that wasn't actually true which made the West a defacto extension of the Confederacy) and just become a trope of our storytelling, pretty much divorced from the Lost Cause tradition. For all his flaws, I do NOT think Joss was out there trying to write a story that glorified the Confederates, he just like that Western trope.

Another example from recent years is Hell On Wheels. Bohannon was a former confederate with a powerful grudge regarding what the Yankees did to his family and he's written that way, but as the show goes on you don't end up with the impression that the lesson you're supposed to take away is that the South was wronged. The both employ the trope of the bitter, loner, vengeful ex-rebel and also tell stories that go beyond the predictable track of such a character.

And, some of them know how to manipulate the easily fooled - make them believe a certain group of people are “the enemy”. I don’t believe Paladin or Federal Farmer or. …. even Volpone are truly racist. They’re stupid and easily misled, but I doubt they are truly evil.

I'd parse out "racist" from "evil"

Racism as a worldview is evil, I don't think every racist - overt or latent - must thus necessarily be evil (though I'd suggest those who consciously lead the impressionable into racism are evil)

BUT are at least some of the folks you mention racist? Undoubtably. One doesn't have to be a self-aware racist to be a defacto racist (likewise misogynist, homophobe, transphobe, xenophobe, whatever - people often rationalize the "perfectly good reason" for the belief they argue, and thus it's not actual bigotry)

If you ever have watched the video it features the band beating the fuck out of an actor (I forget his name) who is actually playing a MAGA CHUD decades before trump. You cannot misinterpret it. The child in the video becomes a leftwing freak who summons the band of crossdressers and goes antifa on his dad. The dad is boomer white guy.

Twisted Sister was inspired by drag. You can only turn a blind eye to the obvious message, but that is misinterpreting it. You8 can interpret it any way you wish, but you are fucking wrong. It is like saying jesus is into guns and war. You can say it, but you are wrong and are a fucking moron. I guess that is the boy's whole schtick.

There was a reason I put it that way. The ones whom you are referring “cultural, but not self-aware”, those are the ones I say are not truly evil. Hitler, and ….Steve Brannon (?), the ones who truly believe a specific group need to be.eliminated. Storm, for example (from what I understand). Most racists, I believe, are only racist in an abstract sort of way. They have been manipulated to believe black and brown people are lazy and criminals, but, when in the course of their lives, they meet someone, whether through work or some social connection, of that group and that person isn’t lazy or a criminal, then that one person they know is “an anomaly” in their eyes. While in the reserves in West Virginia, I overheard one guy saying to another about the one black guy in the unit “he’s black but he don’t know he’s black”. In other words, the one black guy in the unit wasn’t a stereotypical criminal thug. The speaker wasn’t truly evil, he was just culturally brainwashed. And could probably be a decent person if it weren’t for the fact that you can’t convince someone that their culture of believing anyone who isn’t white or Asian is a criminal.

what's truly noteworthy is she left out certain far more active rightforgers than Volpone (who was pretty overtly racist at time)..

I used to stop thinking there too, but you might try one more step of thought and think of why they really do not want to know they are wrong.

For example, I thought swingers and polyamorous people were wrong because of all the reasons society filled my head with. I would even say to my friends that it could never work out and humans were only meant to be cou0pled because nature. When people presented me with the idea that I was wrong I did not cling to my beliefs and disregard their experience. I watched them have reasonable polyamorous and swing relationships and enhance their lives while having the normal troubles of trying to make things work. I was not threatened. I did not pitch a fit. I did not pray to the lord. I did not chastise them for doing what they did. I did not hate the sin and not the sinner. I was fucking happy for them and happy to openh my world view to new people and experiences.

That is what a decent person who respects others and apreciates freedom does. I may be a jerk in other ways, but when I amj shown I am wrong and people can do things I may not appreciate to enhance their life while not harming others in an unreasonable fashion I am happy for them, and glad to be wrong. Why can't they be that way? The only reason I can come up with is they are evil assholes. Maybe you can give me a better reason since you seem to care for them so much even though they continually try to hurt others simply for not existing the way they think is right.

While intent plays a significant role in morality, at the end of the day if you are so stupid that you are easily manipulated into committing evil or you are actively trying to be malicious, at the end of the day you still are doing evil. We all know a lot of 'good Christians' or 'responsible civic minded people' that enable evil and actively commit it because they've been told it's good.

Whether they believe it truly is good or they are just acting on excuse to do the evil they want to do, that may be relevant in whether they can be reached to change, but most never will, and it doesn't change the outcome of their actions.

Hence the distinction between stupid and evil.

don't disagree.

One can be debateable about BEING evil while still being obviously DOING evil.

Maybe one could say you can do it like Mitt Romney, or do it like Paul Gosar - but you still DID evil

I’m pretty sure Gozer is evil.

Leaked video of Patriot Front training to fight riot police. https://twitter.com/telltaleatheist/status/1563186437289553920?s=21&t=8iZP9CKi7xnKV2ANqxpmyw

It’s pretty sad looking. A line of dudes with aluminum shields trying to hold ground against one dude with a Billy club.

Unless that guy is Matt Murdock.

But MAGA types are willingly blind.