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OBD-II came in '98. Before that cars had ECUs and CANs but they were non-standardized. You had to read codes looking at flashing lights, or use car specific tools to read codes.

Aircraft style black boxes? No.

Onstar and other systems have cellphone tech built in for GPS and comms, but it has nothing to do with engine control.

You really don't know much about cars, tuck.

Meet the "Event Data Recorder."

That's for race cars and some emergency vehicles. It's been around since 93. It has nothing to do with passenger cars or engine control.

Correction. Some vehicles have this as part of OnStar or other self reporting car systems.

But, they have nothing to do with engine control.

Read your link.

You're not very good at this.

You mean where it says

Are you going to tell me that there are 40 million race cars in the world and that they are classified as passenger vehicles?

This is antithesis to your view of tuition based education as a gatekeeper against those parents.

No I corrected my post. Wiki is confusing on whether it's some or all.

In either case, they have nothing to do with engine control. They are part of GM's OnStar or their equivalent.

It seems like it's almost all. Trump killed the Obama proposal to make it a requirement.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-autos-regulations-idUSKCN1PU2GK

Did I say that it was part of engine control?

No you didn't. But this was UA's concern.

Some form of EDR has been on all GM airbag equipped cars since the 70s.

Your point?

https://exchange.aaa.com/automotive/automotive-trends/event-data-recorder/

Remind me when GM bought Jeep and began installing airbags on them.

If his Jeep has airbags, it probably has an EDR.

Airbags became mandatory in 1998. So, presumably 2 years after his Jeep was built. Still doesn't answer when GM bought Jeep.

Apparently jeep was ahead of the game. But ask Albert.

https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f67/1996-cherokee-passenger-air-bag-244560/

My point about GM is EDRs were around since the 70s. Buying a 90s car doesn't mean it has no EDR. It doesn't mean it has no engine control unit on a control area network.

If you want a truly dumb car it needs to be pre 73.

Okay, so did you read your link? Because this is what it says about airbags in Cherokees (no idea if that's what UA has or not)

Nothing about EDR, and, as I recall the mechanicals for deploying airbags in that era were a ball bearing in a pinched metal tube. When the vehicle was subjected to the kind of g-forces likely to occur in an accident, this would dislodge the ball bearing and send it to one end or the other of the tube that would complete the circuit, allowing the airbag to deploy. This was, I think, developed by Volvo, and was widely adopted by the automotive industry at the time because it was cheaper than using electronics.

Completing the circuit...

Yeah, you know, like when you flip a switch and your lights come on. See this for an example for a pre-computerized version.

Yeah and any circuit completion can be monitored.

There are mechanical airbags. Just none that require electricity to inflate.

You could be right about Al's antique jeep. It may not have an EDR. But that has jack to do with when it was made.

Nope. I can complete a circuit with any number of things and there's no way to monitor them because the necessary electronics haven't been installed. Pick any random flashlight available for sale, I'd wager that 99.99% of them have no way to monitor if the circuit has been completed.

Could be. However, the first patent was issued in 1919 and indications are that it didn't involve electronics.

Save for the fact that you claimed any GM product made after the eary 70s would have had one, and that EDRs weren't mandated until after '04. Not seeing how that matches up with the other statements you've made. You just want to go ahead and admit that you were talking out of your ass, or do you want me to continue to humiliate you? Because I'm working on the latter part. And bonus points if you do, because I'm trying to run down contact info for a highly skilled mechanic who disagrees with me on a number of things, but knows a shitload more about the details involving things like airbags and vehicle electronics, whom I'll be more than happy to defer to on the subject since I haven't poked around under the hood of a vehicle newer than '92 because I can't afford to buy anything built in the 21st Century. Assuming that I hear back from him, he will absolutely be able to point you to specific pages of factory service manuals produced by major automakers that prove you wrong.

I will not apologize for expecting them to do everything in their power to mitigate that. People impose on each other way too casually for my taste. I'll not endorse anything that ends up rewarding that.

And you will bring that shit near any vehicle of mine over my rotting corpse.

No, I expect the guilty parties, and any fashionably concerned onlookers , to solve problems I did not cause without involving me.

No wonder you're pissed off all the time. Mods please change UA's status to semper iratus.

In what way? There are costs associated with their choices, and I am only asking that they pay them.

For the record, my rusty '97 Wrangler has OBDII (that throws up a trouble code every other week because the sensor in the cat/con gets unhappy because I rarely drive it ) and airbags that probably don't work because they also throw up trouble codes. But that could also be the clock spring. That's a thing. I swear.

Huh, sounds like you're saying that society should go with approaches that cost more because you think it will be a good form of education.

Is @Uncle Albert autistic? What are his Praxis scores?

I don't engineer collective outcomes.

Denying them an education would teach them a lesson.

I can’t believe that jeep is still alive. You have to have replaced damn near every part by now!

Also, no one wants a society where kids who got the shit end of the stick by being born in poverty don’t go to school. That’s ridiculous. If you get frustrated by the current level of dumbassery in our society, you just wait and see what it looks like after a generation or two of that nonsense. I understand having principles that can’t be swayed simply because it makes life easier for you…but at some point when literally everyone is more miserable, it’s time to reevaluate, IMHO.

If I didn't make the baby, I have not CAUSED any children to suffer. That fault lies with the parents.

And me retaining what is mine is not depriving you of anything that belongs to you.

Denying a third party with no input whatsoever on a decision (a child in this case) education (food? shelter? healthcare?) is okay because they shouldn’t have chosen to be born to poor parents:

A-Okay in Uncle Albert’s book!

Denying the rich people* Uncle Albert worships some of that 27th billion to pay for a child’s education/food/shelter/health care:
HOW DARE YOU!?!?

*maybe they shouldn’t have chosen to be born** in the US if they wanted that 27th billion to be untaxed?

**or move here as adults in the case of Musk, Brin, Nadalla and others.