US To Normalize Relations With Cuba

Cuba is a much more humane society than China, which the US does business with because they have to. Their stance has nothing to do with the human rights situation, as also demonstrated by the other regimes that have been engaged with or supported in recent history.

More weasal words. They were campaigning for reforms to the existing system and did not wish to overthrow it as you claimed.

 

If Cuba is so humane, how come thousands of people are still risking death to float to Florida? I can't remember the last time a Chinese raft washed up in California.

Also, among the demands of the million Chinese marching in the streets was freedom of the press and freedom of speech. The Chinese government sent in 300,000 troops to crush the "counter-revolutionaries."

 

Link to where I said that Cuba was so humane? If you can't discuss without lying, then go away.

 

As a recent Cuban immigrant said, after everyone else on his raft died, "It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees." Meanwhile, our universities are full of happy little Chinese students.

 

It would be interesting to compare the number of immigrants from Cuba (granted immediate legal status) vs other "democratic" latin american nations.

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This is why there are so many entering the US on rafts. Not because Cuba is any worse than any other Caribbean or Latin American nation. I think their treatment of average citizens is much better.

Cuba is ahead of China, Vietnam, and Russia in this index.

 

That was actually Emiliano Zapata.

All these years of practice, and you're still an abysmal liar.

 

From the New York Times, Oct 10, 2014.

“If I had to save $10,000 with my monthly salary of $17, I would not get here until I was 80 or 90 years old,” said Yannio La O, 31, an elementary school wrestling coach who arrived in Miami last week after a shipwreck landed him in Mexico.

He and 31 others departed from Manzanillo, in southern Cuba, in late August on a boat they built over the course of three months. They ran into engine trouble, and the food they brought was contaminated by a sealant they carried aboard to patch holes in the hull. They spent 24 days lost at sea.

“Every day at 6 a.m. or 6 p.m., somebody died,” Mr. La O said.

Nine people, including a pregnant woman, died and were thrown overboard, and six more got on inner tubes and disappeared before the Mexican Navy rescued the survivors, Mr. Sánchez said. Two more died at shore. Mr. La O said he survived by drinking urine and spearing fish.

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“Even if half the people who leave from Cuba do not survive, that means half of them did,” Mr. La O said, speaking from his grandmother’s house in Miami, where he arrived last week. “I would tell anyone in Cuba to come. It’s better to die on your feet than live on your knees.”

 

A coach who doesn't make enough money where he lives. Sounds vaguely familiar.

So, not life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but "the streets of America are paved with gold." As good a motivation for risking your life? He decided it was. Which is what differentiates him from a certain coach in this forum who's afraid to walk in the rain.

Nevertheless, it's especially ironic that in fleeing a revolutionary regime he cribs the words of a revolutionary spoken a century previously.

 

Well... he was quoting a Mexican. It would help your arguments if you post citations for quotes and other facts. A google search for that quote gives you Mr. Zapata.

All this goes to reinforce the need for normalized relationships with Cuba, not only to stem the tide of people risking their lives to get immediate legal status on US shores, but to improve economic health in Cuba.

Immigration reform is another area we need to work on...

 

Yeah, everybody is willing to risk a 50 percent death rate to get a better job, even women and children. All those people machine gunned trying to flee East Germany? Just a bunch of greedy bastards trying to score a buck. The North Korean families who eat tree bark trying to make it into China? They're just wanting to cash in, probably as strippers and bouncers. Jews who tried to hide from the Nazis? They just didn't want to do their fair share of work, and instead wanted to make money in investment banking or some other greedy Jew pursuit.

 

You picked this guy to quote.

 

And he said "I would tell anyone in Cuba to come. It’s better to die on your feet than live on your knees.” Those words are typical of people fleeing oppression, not people seeking some freebies or a raise. We've been averaging about 400,000 Cubans a decade coming here, with the result that Cuba's population is in decline.

Back in 2008 Obama addressed the issue of sanctions against Cuba, saying that unless they freed their political prisoners there would be no let up on our part. Too bad the President won't listen to that candidate.

 

And there goes the travel ban!

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/1...d-rules-on-travel-to-cuba.html?_r=0&referrer=

 

Time to visit Cuba before it becomes just like every other beach destination.

 

You did not just say something this incredibly stupid.
Yep, you did.
90 miles vs. closer to 3000 miles. Geography epic fail.

He sure did... If he were a Frenchman staring down gunmen storming his office for the crime of lampooning their prophet.
GTFO and go stand in the corner of a round room, dumbass. Or Your call.

 

Cool, so does that mean the military folks stuck on Gitmo can now leave off base?

 

Probably not but it would be cool if they could.

 

I know all bases are generally considered to be the territory of nation that operates them, but given the unique situation with Gitmo I'd expect the US government to want to try and keep it as separated from normal procedure as possible.

 

You and I both know how retarded young military get on liberty, they'd probably incite a shooting war.

 

Sadly, I gotta concur

 

And guess who's already got his toe in the door:


NY Governor to Head to Cuba on Trade Mission
Andrew Cuomo has planned several international trips to aid upstate economies

 

I only care about the impact on baseball and cigars. Cuomo had better address that on his trip.