'W' Sounds Like a Stupid Movie

Here is a article on the script.

Bush Biographers Mixed on Oliver Stone's 'W'

Not only is it too soon, but to play up the stereotypes of the Bush Admin makes it sound like a bad SNL movie. IMO, you can't do a real film on Bush until his story is complete. At the very least it should include his last days in office. In my mind, his story is tied up to Iraq and the War on Terror and while the WoT will probably go one for a while (or will not have a clearly defined 'end') the Iraq war should have a more definite ending.

It sounds like Stone wants to pull a Michael Moore here and push out a half-assed movie just in time for the Presidential election.

It's an Oliver Stone movie. Stupid is a given.

Me thinks this'll go over just as well as Lions for Lambs, Redacted, Stop-Loss, etc did at the box office. Everyone might not like GW and the Iraq War might not be one of the most popular military engagements in history but the public just doesn't wanna shell out $10 for the 'privilege' of getting to watch some mindless leftist propaganda on the big screen.

Hurry Oliver! Cash in while you can! Hope and change is a comin'!

The right-wing attack/smear machine will spend months trashing it and ripping every sentence of the script apart. It's credibility will be impeached long before it hits the theaters. It will have no cross-over appeal. The only people who will pay to see it are the die-hard Bush-haters. In the end, what's the point?

I thought better of Stone.

I was wrong.

Well, yeah. But this is stupid commenting on stupid, which makes it . . . well, which makes it not worth watching when it comes out.

All part of the conspiracy to make Josh Brolin a household name.

Seriously, he must be stopped.

You may have noticed that Oliver Stone has become noticeably more right-wing in recent years. He's also said that the film will be "balanced".

I'm looking forward to it. If it's anything like his movie about Nixon, it'll be great.

I'm thinking we may have differing definitions of "right wing" hh. Fair and balanced is all well and good depending on who's defining it. I personally don't see Hollywoodland being fair and balanced about anything from my pov citing the orgasms they had over Michael Moore.


We'll see.

I have not.

Mr. Stone often directs entertaining movies yet he doesn't make documentaries, that's just not what he does. At best he churns out sensational, controversial interpretations on historic events. Placing his efforts in a political landscape is silly, sure his flicks have been adopted by some of the liberal persuasion as vindication of belief but how seriously can anybody take the opinion of one so inclined?

Fair and balanced? Like FOX News?

Mr. Stone is selling a movie.

Why?

JFK aggravated me to no end reigniting the then almost dead conspiracy movement. I don't really see how this will be much better given Stone's other "historical" work.

Should have waited until after the war crimes trial in Den Haag

Let us know how that turns out, you'll be the only one who cares.

If I wanted to watch a movie about an American with an IQ less than the average yoghurt, why would I choose to disrespect Adam Sandler's career choices?

Considering Stone's habit of skewing history....I don't expect this to be anything different.

fixed it

Maybe that's badly phrased. He's not right-wing, but he's less radically left-wing. His World Trade Centre film is a good example.

Because I tend to agree with much of his "skewed" - as someone put it - historical interpretations. And if nothing else, it'll be entertaining.

I'd love it, I'd even watch it on Pay-Per-View, but it'll never happen.

Our Congress doesn't even have the ballz to impeach him.

Monica Lewinsky blew the wrong President.

I find them entertaining too.

But, a lot of people are taking them as historical 'fact'....and that creates a problem.

I wonder how many people have a screwed up definition of the JFK assassination because of the Oliver Stone film.

Bring a lunch. You're going to be waiting a while.

As much as I dislike Oliver Stone as a filmmaker, and I do, please remember he did write Scarface and he did write and direct Wall Street, which has maybe the single best economic-related scene ever:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JaKkuJVy2YA

It's ironic that Gecko has become such a poster boy after he was supposed to be the villain.

Hey, Hank. Your flag is all messed up. It's missing U. Just thought I'd let you know.

Everyone is a villian to someone else. Bud Fox was a villian to those wanting to make money off of their investments. Lawrence Wildman was a villian to Gekko. The housing market was a villian to Fox when he tried to sell his apartment and ended up taking a loss.

I wonder how Gekko would have been received if he had been less of a mustache-twirling characture.

I read a couple of pages from the 'W' script. It reads like a (bad) sitcom. It's nothing more than a hatchet job and the only people who will take it seriously are those who will be wanking along with it.

Leaving aside the 'greed is good' line--which, if it were phrased as 'economic self-interest and rationality are good' would be virtually inarguable--Gekko's character is right on. Companies that don't perform should be wrecked so that their capital can be used to provide more profitable (read: useful and desirable) products and services. If it's greedy for a capitalist to destroy an unprofitable company in order to use its assets elsewhere, it's greedy for you to shop around and buy products at the lowest price you can find---because it's the exact same principle at work.

I'd also argue that--leaving aside the murders he commits--Daniel Plainview from 'There Will be Blood' is heroic in that he builds an empire out of very, very little and does so with his own work and ingenuity. That's probably why he must be a murderer in the script; otherwise, people might admire him for his virtues.

Yes, I'm aware of your market fundamentalism. Where did you get the pages from the script?

From here (which I found via aicn.com).

The market is just showing just how effective it is when let off the leash