Washington Post: Obama Shouldn't Run

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  1. CaptainChewbacca

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    Ho-lee-CRAP!

    This isn't a right-wing hit job, this is the Washington POST. Game over, he's done. The Obama, The Zero, The Great Nope of America, is going to be taken aside and told he has been weighed, measured, and found wanting.
     
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  2. Liet

    Liet Dr. of Horribleness, Ph.D.

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    The Washington op/ed pages have been predominantly militaristic right-wing loony tunes for a long time now, and emphasizing the long defunct Democratic connections of couple of FOX News contributors who haven't had anything nice to say about a Democrat in decades in order to portray their obvious hit-piece as something other than an obvious hit piece is classic Washington Post. Fred Hiatt is a radical neocon--think John Bolton without the mustache of doom--and runs his op/ed page accordingly.
     
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    Well I could have told you that.
     
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    This piece is incredibly naive, since it assumes the Republicans have any desire to work with Obama or to deal with the actual problems facing America. As long as Republicans only care about winning power and holding into it, they don't have the capacity to be honest partners in anything.

    If Obama had realized that in '08 and stopping trying in vain to engage them, he'd have accomplished a whole lot more than he has.
     
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    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Are you seriously gonna sit there and tell us that the Washington freakin' POST is a right-wing publication? :unuts:
     
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    Bickendan Custom Title Administrator Faceless Mook Writer

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    I think he is.
     
  7. CaptainChewbacca

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    Say what you will about Fred Hait, this piece was written by Doug Schoen, who worked for Jimmy Carter.
     
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    Maybe if you don't understand the difference between an op-ed and the newspaper itself. :marathon:
     
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    Bulldog Only Pawn in Game of Life

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    The long knives are out.
     
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    Chest Rockwell I'm a big fuckin' dick.

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    He didn't need the Republicans at all to get his agenda through. He had both houses of Congress. No matter how much he whined and cried about obstructionist Republicans, until Chapaquiddick Teddy died, nothing was in his way.
     
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    Belshazzar





    His houses were built upon the drifting sand.
     
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    I think a lot can happen in two years. Two years is a long time in the world of politics and voters have short memories and even shorter attention spans.
     
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    passing over the insanely laughable proposition that a Carter flunky is a right winger...

    there are several false assumptions here typical of a middle-left naivete.

    First - that "gridlock" is bad. it's only bad if Washington had the political courage to reverse course on a whole lot of things where no such courage exists in sufficient numbers to pass.

    Second - the idea that being freed from political considerations makes it more likely that Obama would advocate sane economic policies is a wholly unfounded assumption

    Third, if a president and Congress ACTUALLY laid politics aside and passed ACTUAL good policy, it would BE good politics - there are enough voters willing to reward good sense to not have to worry about elections. the very act of worrying about election is what puts election in danger at this point.

    The problem with that, from Obama's point of view - is that the things he wants to do are not actually good policy.

    I respect Cadell, even for a Democrat, but I think the assumptions here a bit unrealistic.
     
  14. Jamey Whistler

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    Take caution with getting too excited over this. The fat lady might be warming up her pipes backstage, but she sure as hell ain't singing just yet. Despite the requisite protestations from the usual keepers regarding partisanship, this is "slow news day" stuff.

    This is the exact same kind of crap peddled by the idiots on the box calling mid-term races with less than ten percent of the votes counted. There are any number of things which can happen between now and 2012. Against the odds, the economy could turn. The republicans could fuck up big time. The DNC might find a novel way of selling the upcoming gridlock as some sort of evil conservative plot, even if it does put the brakes to an out-of-control legislature.

    At the very least, he's a proven crowd pleaser. Even if there's some "no faith" sentiment that lasts until the convention, this guy is a political neophyte who's probably easily influenced and manipulated. It's a good combination.

    The worst thing that could happen to those who like the influence they've got right now would be for a candidate with a set of balls on him (or her) to challenge Barry for the big chair. There are too many powerful people pulling Obama's strings right now to call a 2012 re-election bid, "a bad idea".

    Everything else set aside, he could save a baby from a burning building (or some such), and that'd make him a hero.....and America loves a "comeback", even if it's not relevant to more important issues.
     
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    Where Obama or should I say Belshazzar is concerned you have to know the kind of mentality you're dealing with.


    American Narcissus

    The vanity of Barack Obama

     
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    brudder1967 this is who we are

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    I still like the "anonymous" sources that say he is losing it and that he will step down for "alleged" health problems before his term is up.

    ;)
     
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    It might as well read, "from sources which you'd have to be too stupid to believe," or "here's some shit we made up in the editors lounge, suckers". :finger:
     
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    I didn't say he needed the support of the Republicans, I said he wanted the support of the Republicans. That was where he fucked up, trying to build a consensus with a group that had no interest in doing so.

    He wasted time trying to play nice instead of ramming through whatever he wanted.
     
  19. Chest Rockwell

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    "I won."
    President Barack Obama to Senator Jon Kyl, January 23, 2009

    Barry never needed to work with the Republicans and more importantly, never wanted to.
     
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    Then why don't you live in a socialist paradise at this very moment?

    What stopped him from enacting every idea that came to mind? :shrug:
     
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    :wtf:


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    And, in closing, as to the original article?

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    I've heard some chatter on talk radio that Obama is considering not running.
     
  23. Chest Rockwell

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    If I had to venture a guess, the Dems know that if they push too hard We The People can push back. So they go for incrimentalism. What they didn't expect was that there would be this much outrage from the little folk. They figured there was no rush because they would be in charge for a good long time. It was a calculated gamble that didn't pay off.
     
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    I think he wanted. Republican support so that he could blame them when it doesn't work.
     
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    That's silly. They'd just won the house, the senate, and the presidency. How does that not translate into a firm mandate to follow through on the platform they put out during the election?
     
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    what color is the sky on your planet?
     
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    So today Obama's the dangerous socialist who's succeeded in ramming through this far-left agenda?

    Should I come back tomorrow when he's Bush with a tan, and you're all ranting "so much for hope and change?"
     
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    How do you explain the healthcare bill?
     
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    He finally gave up and learned not to bother placating the Republicans, though it did go through several changes before that. No public option and all that.
     
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    He didn't run on a platform of making America a socialist state. He ran on a platform of not being Geroge Bush, being black, and Hope & Change. The Dems know that they could only do so much so fast, so they went for the low hanging fruit. Start small, get the foot in the door, and slowly get where you want to go.

    What they didn't count on was Glenn Beck, the internet, and the regular people saying that what they were doing was bullshit. The dems really thought they would have time to get what they want started. Once Healthcare came up they knew they were fucked and Ted Kennedy taking that car ride to Hell and a Republican winning his seat (largely because of Healthcare), they knew they were done. Now all they have is hope that they can jam some bad laws down our throats in the Lame Duck session out of spite, simply because they are smarter than all of us about what is good for us.
     
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