Westworld on HBO [SPOILERS]

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  1. AlphaMan

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    Hmmm....

    Just thinking a bit... if there has been no fatalities or host related deaths in 30 years of park history, then why does Delos Corp feel the need to have such a well armed and trained security force? Are they expecting a hostile force to come in and take over the park? And for that matter, it occurs to me that one helicopter with an automatic weapon attached would decimate Delores’ gang and all the hosts involved. Why fight them on foot? The Abernathy host? The
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    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    I love that the armed paramilitary unit is called "QA". :lol:
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    And why doesn't delos corp have some gunships they can swoop down and rain hell on hosts with?

    I liked the 1st season. Not sure about the 2nd. Enjoy the broader scope: scenes in other worlds (India world?) and outside the parks. Don't care for the direction the characters are going. I'm liking the hosts less, and the humans aren't interesting.
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    I’m really not liking Delores this season, but really like Teddy.
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    I did like this episode, but the opening in what they are calling “Raj-world” kind of bothered me for obvious reasons. First of all, I was very concerned when I saw 2 new characters being introduced & I had a difficult time keeping all the other characters and timeline straight. Then the fact that they were in colonial India bothered me. Who pays that kind of money to go to a park where the goal is to subjugate brown people? I have to say that once the scene played out and we see that the host are crossing park boundaries, I ended up really liking that scene.
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    I assume the paramilitary dudes are probably mercenary - Blackwater type shit
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    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    I think such a group would have handled the attack on the fort a LOT better then just walking up to it in a line like shooting gallery targets.
    I think they're full time staff (as indicated by calling them QA :lol: )

    Or maybe you're right and only the section head is QA, and the troops are contractors? Hm.
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    Lovin' the Stones.
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    I have very little idea of what is actually happening.
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    I'm not sure exactly, but the Shogun episode was great. I guess Maeve has some kind of command override.
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    I haven't watched the latest episode, so maybe it will help when I do watch it.
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    They've established that Maeve maxed out her stats, that wireless devices can be used to control or reprogram hosts and also that all the hosts have an unconscious awareness of other nearby hosts implying some type of connectivity. Even including Bernard she seems like the host who has the most self-awareness about what she is and how she works.

    As soon as I realised they were shifting into Paint It Black I fell in love with this episode.
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    Play With Fire from last week was good too. Obviously Delores is fully aware and poor Teddy.
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    The opening of the Shogun episode where the characters realize they are watching themselves was brilliant.

    Maeve's new abilities now raises some questions about Ford.

    Poor Sizemore getting crapped on but like he said you try writing 300 stories in three weeks. :lol:

    Dragon Lady meets Snake Lady. Shippers everywhere get busy writing fanfiction. :lol:

    Mercenaries continue to show they are useless.

    Bernard:
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    I loved this episode, but I really missed Ed Harris, his story is the best, IMO.
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    I don't know if Delores is. The realization that her inner voice is hers came awfully coincidentally close to Ford activating the Wyatt code in Delores. I'm leaning towards her currently being on a programmed narrative orchestrated by Ford.
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    All it would take is making gerrymandering illegal. :nyer:
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    this show intrigues the fuck out of me
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    I'm starting to think this show has it's head up it's own ass.

    I enjoy the broader plot but the way they obfuscate the narrative is annoying. What is this show about ultimately? The James Delos host was a great idea that I thought would have a bigger impact on the show, but it's been 2 weeks since that happened and it doesn't seem like they're going to get back to it. Episodes 7-10 last season were great episodes so I hope these last ones this year kick things up a notch.
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    I’m guessing they’re about to go full steam ahead soon.
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    Nice "tell me doctor" scene last night, where Bernard figured everything out and finally told us.

    That mercenary that let himself get seduced and blowed up was an idiot.
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    Maeve!:cry: Poor Bernard.
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    while it's fresh in my mind... What's in a name?

    DELOreS?


    DELete
    OR
    EScape?


    Maeve is a little trickier.

    ma(?)EVEnt?

    I got nothin'.

    Maybe the name is what it is?

    Meaning of the name Maeve.
    MEANING: From an old Irish name Madb (or Medb),
    “the cause of great joy" or “she who intoxicates."

    The great warrior queen of Connacht and embodiment of sovereignty she stars in Ireland's greatest epic “The Cattle Raid of Cooley"


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    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    Delores keeps reminding me of the Seinfeld episode where he couldn't remember a woman's name, except that it sounded like a part of the female anatomy.
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    Mulva.
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    No one acts that stupid. Let's call it what it is... bad writing.

    All in all, I'll say this episode was mixed. Some bad writing mixed in with some groundbreaking developments and even some flashes of brilliance, IMHO. While in The Cradle, Ford reveals the true purpose of Westworld. "This park is a testing chamber. The guest are the variables... The host are the controls. We are not here to code the Host... We are here to decode the guest! To copy them!" I've been waiting nearly 2 years to actually understand what all of this was about and even though I had some clues and ideas, now I can go forward and take that piece of information and filter everything through it. I don't know if the writers intended it, but it's looking like this story may end up being a good analogy to Facebook collecting so much data on us. I'm still hoping that the writers are clever enough to give us some "Rosetta Stone" that's going to make everything make some sense.

    I was devastated to see Maeve get shot down on the verge of achieving her goal... and if Seizemore had a phone this whole time, why did he wait til just now to whip it out?

    I actually sighed in frustration when they opened up a room full of Bernard-bots. I mean, this actor is already playing 2 different characters and I have a hard time keeping track of when and exactly who he is at any given moment and now there's a room full of them? Jeffrey Wright is a great actor who does a good job portraying the subtle differences between Bernard & Arnold, but the differences, like I said, are subtle.
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    one of the commentaries I saw mentioned Sizemore "finding" the phone. I don't know when that would have been, I didn't see it myself.
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    He took the phone off one of the dead guys when he stopped to take a pee break.
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    When they first went into Shogun world and saw the dead QA people nailed to the trees is when he found the phone on one of them.
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    Extremely bad writing.

    And no way that one grenade can wreck the whole cradle.

    And why would Angela sacrifice herself like that?

    Because it was the first chance he'd get to use the phone without his arms being ripped off by the Maeve and her crew.

    Makes sense since Ford would want a Bernard that looks like he ages over time.

    I bet Stubbs is happy. The head guy thought Stubbs was selling out the company. Now it turns out that Bernard isn't even real.