What part of legal immigration don't you understand?

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http://reason.com/blog/2009/05/13/give-us-your-tired-your-poor-y

Good stuff, would you mind resizing the image? It's a tad huge.

Giving figures for total time to immigrate AND become a citizen is a bit misleading. You're only ever going to become a citizen of any nation after several years, and I don't think anyone has a major problem with that.

I'm not reading anything that's bigger than my 20" monitor set at 1280x1024. Resize that shit.

Agree. And yes, the process does need to be cleaned up and streamlined. But, like most things the gubbermint does, it's done poorly, so it's not really suprising.

And the parts of illegal immigration I don't understand -

1) I have a right to live here regardless of my citizenship
2) I can shit on everyone who did go through that process
and of course, 3)

If you don't like the fact I broke your laws to come here, you are an ignorant racist.

As someone who has had a family member go through the process, has a family member that oversees H1B applications, and having a cousin that was born in Mexico and decided to join the armed forces to become a US citizen more quickly, a giant fuck you to everyone that thinks they are a special and unique snowflake and should be able to ignore the legal process to get here.

And a double fuck you to those 'enlightened' individuals that want to nullify the law in order for those laws to become meaningless. A recent gallup poll said that 4 out of 5 of your fellow citizens disagree with you.

Have a nice day.

The thing I don't understand is why aren't legal immigrants raising more hell about the illegals?

If not for the illegals, legal immigrants wouldn't have to worry about profiling, being detained until their status is verified, etc.

illegal!11!

So?

How does illegal immigration demean legal immigrants?

http://www.wordforge.net/showpost.php?p=1996351&postcount=7

When you ask so sweetly, how can I say no?

Apologies. Here it is at 60%. Less than that kills the legibility somewhat.

Not seeing it.

Hardly surprised.

There's a level of discourse that's expected here, believe it or not. Saying "I don't get it" over and over again just makes people write you off.

We get it. You don't get it.

Some people might have the patience to explain why someone who busted their hump to earn something might appreciate it more, or feel slighted if something they value is just tossed away randomly to everyone else.

Me, I just look at the proudly displayed Anarchist symbol, point and laugh.

If I were an immigrant, I imagine that being discriminated against by white Americans on the chance that I might be illegal would be cause for issue with the American establishment, rather than with illegal immigrants.

And it's not as if illegal immigration lessens the value of a legal immigrant's accomplishment. If you buy a car and a thief steals the same model from the dealer's lot, is yours worth less?

Apologies for not coming from a position of hatred towards the browns.

Fair enough - let's man the Immigration Department with majority Hispanics (legal or native born of course). Now the immigrants won't be kept out by white Americans.

Does that make you feel better?

First, it's a fallacy that only white americans want border enforcement. Second, that's the only racist comment that anyone made to this point. You think of this as a problem determined by skin color. Third, while I understand that many immigrants are frightened based on laws enforcing immigration status, people with green cards (such as my wife) are already by law required to have them on their person at all times and present them when asked. Finally, there are certainly hispanics that want to see immigration laws enforced: http://www.alipac.us/article615.html

If one does, no. If twenty million do? You don't understand economics very well or you wouldn't posit that comparison.

Then of course there's the concept of amnesty, in which the 20 million stolen cars just got made legally the property of the current owner. Yes, that would definitely lower the value of my car. If I had just stolen it in the first place I could have gotten it for free!

Strawman, and one both obnoxious and woefully ignorant. Clearly one can be against illegal immigration while not being a racist. The fact that you can't comprehend that, indeed stating that a specific race is the problem, indicate a real lack of critical thinking skills.

No, I don't think it's a problem at all. I believe that many reactionaries in America believe it is a problem fundamentally determined by skin colour, despite their ostentations to the contrary.

Obviously the car analogy doesn't hold up when the scale increases. How do 20 million illegal immigrants devalue the immigration status of a single legal immigrant?

No, it's not a problem at all. The only problem here is American immigration policy.

Why, I get the feeling that Carolvs Burnett is just... trolling!

Ever been to Knott's Berry Farm? It's a great and incredibly underrated amusement park in Buena Park, CA. The lines for rides are sometimes long, and you can't help but become familiar with your line mates while inching toward your turn. Sure it may take awhile but it's the best way to maximize the number of riders.

When somebody cuts in line it pisses everyone off. And is cause to be ejected from the park.

Another good example - 40% of Hispanics in Arizona in 2004 voted for Proposition 200. This states that a) you had to provide proof of citizenship to vote, and b) you had to provide proof of citizenship to receive state services.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Proposition_200_(2004)

Mexico threatened to bring this to international tribunals to overturn the law:

http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/000714.html

Immigration isn't an amusement park ride. Generally, a ride would not have an arbitrary cap on the rate it serves customers. And by moving illegally, the immigrant does not take a spot from legal immigrants.

That's true. We're not doing enough to keep illegals out.

So you think big government is a good thing?

You can't be serious.

I walked onto Xcelerator on the third day of its existence. I didn't even have time to cut!

No, but I think government doing the job it's supposed to do is a good thing.

The US has averaged 1,000,000 new citizens naturalized a year for the past decade. That's not only the largest number of any country in the world, it's larger than ALL OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD COMBINED.

Of those, nearly a quarter of them come from one country - Mexico. That's five times higher than any other country.

There are 37 million first generation immigrants in the United States, the highest number ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States

In contrast, according to the Pew research center, 1 in 10 citizens born in Mexico now live in the US.

I think the problem doesn't lie here.

Some people think government is supposed to provide healthcare and tap our phones, too.

Because the world population is the largest ever.

Mexico's a hellhole, so?

The government does provide healthcare: Medicare and Medicaid. The government is allowed to tap phones in a criminal investigation providing they meet certain guidelines and obtain a warrant.

Want to add some more straw to that strawman you're building?

Yes! Of course you do!

If Mexico is a hellhole, it's their hellhole and it's up them to fix it or not.