What would be your opinion of this scenario?

"Sorry, neither."

No, he just argues in bad faith, and doesn't deserve better.
Nice vicarious victim routine though.
Hopefully your crocodile tears will heal Marso's invisible wounds.
Poor little snookums.

were you always this delusional and kooky? Asking for an invisible friend!

I salute your choice! Own it, don't deny it or play word games like some people on wordforge.

(A) It's a Star Trek quote
(B) Never mind the number of political parties in the UK - about which you apparently know nothing - are there no moderates in your Murica?

It's all binary with you, isn't it?

You're projecting.

Liberal is an American concept, I'm not American.

I don't vote liberal (usually - we do have a sort of, loosely, approximately, liberal party in the Lib Dems) and I am uncomfortable with lots of positions which would stereotypically be those of an American liberal.

I like you to be honest, enough to be brutally honest when I say you seem to have a very narrow view of a very big world which America (and by extension American beliefs and values) is only one corner of.

That's a big "if". I'm neither, just to the left of you.

well I never will vote in any other country so you are right - I'm not going to get to far into the structure of their political parties. But considering most of western Europe (including the brits here) loves our liberal politicians and hates our conservative ones - or at least that's how U.S. media spins it - I would say Europe leans toward liberalism (as the U.S. defines it) quite heavily.

Again, projecting. Liberal is your term, not ours. If you want to understand us listen to our thoughts, because they are based on having seen centuries of where things can go wrong. Fuck knows we devote enough time to you guys and your attempts to re invent the wheel whilst denying anyone else got there first.

As I understand it they basically exist on a similar level to people in America deciding to solve their disputes on Judge Judy?

Federal Fuckwit is gonna go all Norman over this...

@Marso gives racist dog whistle

To be expected.

I literally answered your question several posts above yours:

Why @Marso is not banned is beyond me. Similar behavior has resulted in posters such as @Ramen being banned relatively quicky.

Pretty much the case, but it is far more common for people to decide to use christian and jewish laws for business and civil unions. A large number of jews in NY would use jewish law to cover their businesses. From what I understand there is a lot of instruction on how jews should relate to each other in commerce. I do not think christianity or Islam have as much in commercial relations and it mainly covers marriage, but as people you can chose any religious law you want as long as both parties agree to that arbitration of their own free will. From what I understood you could also put it into the establishment of your businesses as long as they remained private. I do not think public traded companies can chose religious laws for civil arbitration because you could not get a consensus from shareholders.

It also seemed quite easy to get away from. A number of lawyers said you could challenge clauses which require religious law in court pretty easily when I was creating corporate partnerships. Never had to do that. From what I understood from reading up on scientology disputes you could challenge vows to use religious arbitration in court, and that was important for certain women escaping from cults that would do things like restrict their ability to work and maintain bank accounts. There were some stories of pre-nups that put the parent leaving the religion out of the child's life due to scientology arbitration, and it was often recommended that women leaving go to a court for divorce over the religious arbitration they might have agreed to

That is freedom to participate in religious law. The only time we allow people to do so is through civil matters when they agree to use Sharia or other religious laws over a court. This lie that the freedom to practice your faith is somehow going to be imposed on everyone is so false. The only religious laws that have been imposed involuntarily on the US people are christian biblical laws. We still do it today with abortion, and we have a ton of people trying to impose church law (Because it is not biblical law) on GLBT people and marriage (Which is not purely christian).

The very pretense it could happen in the US that @Marso is fearmongering on is stupid. The police are not the courts. Even if the police were not there you would be allowed to go to court under US law and get a civil decision based on US law and not religious codes. Also no one is saying ban the police or end them entirely. Remaking their system and rules from the ground up is only getting rid of the trash cops. Even if a town dissolved their local police you would still be covered by the county, state, and federal law enforcement.

I'm not familiar with the details of Sharia law. Where does it rank on the HOA scale of evil?

missing the point. The Somalians happen to be black, this is true. But there are many black people in Minneapolis. The twist here is they are muslim. Thus this is more a cultural/religion thing than a skin color thing. If there were thousands of Bosniaks (Bosnian muslims) in Minneapolis the scenario would be the same.

lookit you being all eloquent and reasonable!! <3

funny you mention HOA. Today while discussing the legal system with my son a thought hit me. In Georgia when it's time to post bail for somebody and the bond is $ 2,000 you have to pay 10 percent of that which is $200. However if you are a homeowner (even if your home isn't paid off yet) you pay 10 percent of that which is $20. I don't know the logic behind it but when they said it was only $20 to bond out my son (long story, trumped up charges) I was taken aback. I asked what if he jumps bail and goes bye bye before his trial? They said they would then put a lien on my house. I said I don't plan on selling it anyway. They explained that the $20 is just a formality and the lien is pretty much a formality.

So my point is this: if I don't abide by the tenets of my HOA "covenant" (what is this the 16th Century?) the HOA can put a lien in my home - and it's not just a formality. Thus my HOA has basically the same power as the law enforcement/judicial system of the State of Georgia.

Marso seems to post what he genuinely believes, and often comes off more as racist grandpa than trying to intentionally cause offense. Ramen was just a fuckwit trying to stir up reactions with calculated racist shit.

Ramen sooo wanted to be Storm. Sad, really.

200 000 of them in Montreal... and over a half million within a regular commute to me.
of course, there are about a million Sikhs and Buddhists mixed in with'em.

Frankly, I'm more concerned with the type of catholic Serbs and Croats we got after your little live ammo exercise over there. Lot of criminals in that bunch, and not the happy fun kind like me.

but... MURCA!!!
(I shouldn't laugh... we have such ridiculous things here, too)

hey hey hey, no reason to be insulting.

When I first read this, I was confused for a moment, but now I think I know the post Chad is referring to. If you go back and look at all my posts over the years, especially the whiskey threads, you'll see me refer to the board at large as 'you monkeys,' or, my personal favorite, 'you fucking monkeys.' Usually alongside demands that you do a better job of entertaining me. When I refer to 'you monkeys,' I'm referring to ALL of you.

However, if you want to see that post through the lens of race, nothing I say is going to change your mind.

If Leftforge wants to take the opportunity to pile on, call me a racist, and demand my banning, go for it. Aside from its other myopic viewpoints, the reponses in this thread just further proves that Leftforge has NEVER been able to differentiate accurately between race, culture, and religion.

Note to Shooter or whoever is in charge of the echo chamber these days: the moment you decide to ban me for ANY infraction, please don't fuck around. Make it a Permaban, the very first time. Go big or go home, you fucking monkeys.

The bail bonds people are not law enforcement. If law enforcement wants your money for fines and such they can actually start seizing it. Civil collections in most states do not have that power, and might not even be able to attach a lien on your home unless you consent to it in contract originally. I am pretty sure you consent to the HOA being able to put a lien on your house when you buy which is why they can do that. Do not ask me how all that fully works as I will admit to not being as educated on HOA connections with titles and how that works. There is some connection with the land that they retain authority. If you owed the credit card companies they would be able to put a lien on your home in most places. Your HOA cannot put a lien on your car which is another property that could have a lien on it.

Can't really speak to Croats, but we have a ton of Serbs around here and nobody seems to have any issues with them. My son is in LE- next time I talk to him I'm going to ask about that. He went to high school with a bunch of Serb kids and never had a bad word to say about them.

As a certified liberal leftist commie pinko, I can tell you that not only would I support sharia law for Muslim population enclaves, I am begging for sharia law to be shoved up my own ass sideways.

I'm assuming that's what the OP wants to hear.