Yeah, and a non-refundable deposit isn't a fucking deposit, but do you pout and stomp your feet when a lease has one? Don't play semantics, a tip is part of the meal even if you are too stupid to recognize it.
I will say this: being a server can be a total pain in the ass. I've had those customers that do the "5 dollar" thing, where they'll put 5 one dollar bills on the table and explain to me that any time I make a mistake, they take away a dollar. I hate that kind of thing, because all it does is make a server nervous, and they're more apt to make mistakes. Plus, I know those types, and most of them keep the money anyway. When I was a server, I always did my best. Did I drop plates on occasion? Yes. Did I make a mistake on an order? Sure did. Did I lose tip money because of that? Most likely, but it was the risk I took in the hopes that my good service would be met with a good tip. As I said before, I love to tip well, and I'll forgive damn near anything. I remember a waitress once broke down in tears because she dropped my plate of food on the floor. She looked like she had been having a bad day, and I guess she thought I was going to make it worse. All I did was smile, tell her it was okay, and that I could wait for my food a little longer. I gave her an extra $3, for a total of $8. That might not sound like much, but it was just me having dinner, no one else, and I'm usually very light on requests. As long as I have a nice pitcher of tea at the ready, I'm happy. My tipping method is generally this: When I dine alone, the tip is a base standard of $5 unless the service is atrocious, at which point the tip is either $1 or nothing (which is extremely rare). When I am with a friend, I add $2 to the tip. I then add $2 for each additional friend. So say it's me and 3 friends, the tip from me alone will be $11. That doesn't count what my friends will leave, and I don't tell them what I'm leaving so they don't skip out on a tip if the service was good. I do protest if the required standard of service hasn't been met, and I have won. Granted, it's rare that I make any kind of deal where a deposit is non-refundable, but on occasion it has been an issue. What you're saying is that I should owe you money even if you don't deliver on your service. While that is technically legal, that doesn't speak well of you. Fuck off with the "too stupid" shit, alright? Just because I don't agree with your tipping standards doesn't make me stupid.
No he is saying if you can't afford the entire bill don't order the fucking meal. Go get some TV dinners and a DVD if your cheap ass can only afford the food portion of the dinner.
ugh....working at Applebees SUCKED the big one. people who are determined not to tip or to leave a shitty tip will find a reason. you only got 3 sides of ranch, so every chicken finger was not completely drenched? your rugrat is on sprite #4 and he's still drinking it faster than i can refill it? i had to fucking pee, ok?!?!? SORRY! *twitch* never again. that is waaaay too much work for the amount of money you get. you'd be better off doing manual labor at a construction site.
Yep. I worked at a nice place at the beach during the summers and Lone Star in Mobile during the year. I was a good damn server. Consistently in the 23% range. 20 was a bad night. At the summer place. At Lone Star I was lucky to make 20. More like 15-18%. Now my service didn't change, just the cliental. Too many no class ass hats who think tipping is just extra at Lone Star.
Firstly, the "entire bill" isn't set until the meal is over. Budgeting is wise, but not always foreseeable, depending upon the restaurant. Secondly, stop insulting me because I don't spend as much money as you do. Get off whatever high horse you're on, or get sober, and calm the fuck down. That's true. There are people who will always find a reason not to tip. I like to tip exhausted people double what I normally tip, if only because they're trying their best to make me happy and they're under a heavy workload. Intent means a great deal to me. ETA: I mean, hell, I don't know why Anc is being so pissy with me. He would have probably made out like a bandit, from me, if he gave good service. I love to overtip when I'm happy with the service. I gave a pizza delivery guy $25 because it was December 22nd, and my family had come over. The pizzas themselves didn't even come up to that. It's like he's angry because I won't agree to some arbitrary number on what he thinks his service is worth, even if it's poor. See, it's not that I can't afford it, I am just against paying a mandatory fee for poor service.
it was at applebees that some douchebag literally screamed at me because we had stopped serving the wings he wanted. his son looked so embarassed.
The waitress was wrong for not originally cropping out the customer's signature, but the pastor was even more in the wrong because he was basically trying to steal by not paying the full amount. He doesn't set the price, the restaurant does. Not only does each menu item have a price but I'm certain that Applebee's menus state that larger parties automatically have gratuity included in their bill. He chose to order and eat the food, he can't just suddenly decide not to pay for it all. The manager was right to discipline the waitress, though I think firing is taking it too far. It would have been nice if he had banned the pastor from the restaurant until he paid his full bill, but the backlash from the idiotic masses at the pastor's church wouldn't have been worth it.
You don't have to pay the added gratuity, it's not on the menu, it's not a part of the meal. And it's illegal to force someone to pay it.
In my view, it's just a bait and switch. It allows the managment to pretend to have lower prices while paying the wait staff like shit and CALLING it a tip when they FORCE you to pay it. It's all so much manipulative bullshit. Either charge more for the food and pay better, or call it a "service charge (I can see an argument which I will describe below that would make this make more sense) - and leave it to the customer whether they want to tip and how much. But a TIP is, in fact, supposed to be reflective of the quality of service - and indeed motivate quality service. there's no motivation if the tip is assured. * higher wages v. "service charge": If you resolve to, pay the waitress who now makes (for instance) $8 an hour 20% more ($9.60) then you pay her that for EVERY hour, even when the place is mostly empty and she's cooling her heels most of the time. OTOH, if you add a 20% service charge to each bill, then the higher compensation is tied directly to how much extra work s/he does. I can see that as a valid way to manage payroll costs while still being fair.
Bullshit. If the place has a Grat Policy, then it WILL be on the menu. If its there then it is part of the bill, you don't have a choice about it no matter how much John bitches about it. If you can't afford to pay the grat, don't go out.
ummmm, no it isn't. that's why they have the sign saying "x% gratuity will be added to parties of x or more".
Yes you do, yes it is, and it's part of the included service of eating at a restaurant. And it's illegal to steal. If you don't want to pay someone to bring you food, go get takeout.
With the caveat that we assume forthe sake of the pointthat we are refering to "what the Bible says jesus thought" and not reading the mind of some assumed other actual historical figure... Yes, you can: Matthew 23:23-24- In other words, keeping the religious rituals does not absolve you from being a kind and compassionate and just human being.
It's funny to see that because I don't like forced gratuity, by your opinion I'm stupid and cheap. You'll also note that I never said I wouldn't pay the required percentage. I'd dislike it very much, but I would still pay it, as it is a mandatory service fee. The tip would be whatever I paid the server for the efforts of his or her service. Oops! Did you catch that? I'm paying the mandatory gratuity fee and giving the server a tip! Oh ye gods, I'm so cheap and stupid!
during college i delivered pizza. The store manager included in the delivery a delivery fee which was not explicitly stated to go to the driver but EVERYONE assumed that's what it was for - because he raised it when gas prices went up. The thing is - he already took half of it all along, even though the act of delivery cost him exactly NOTHING! Then, when he raised it, ostensibly because of the expense of gas, he STILL took half even though his zero expenses had gone up to ZERO! So yeah, it would be a big mistake to assume that which carries the illusion of going to the server actually does do so in full.
While I don't think you should leave a tip if you got bad service, I'll say this: if you got decent service--the food was what you ordered, anything missing or wrong was corrected swiftly, you didn't have any unpleasant surprises, you received sufficient attention, and the server had a pleasant/professional demeanor--than you must be something of a cheapskate if you won't drop 10-15% on them for the effort. Personally, I'll leave 15 per cent for decent service, and 20-25 for especially good service.
Every time I go out to eat, I've got 25-50 people in tow. Everyone in town knows who we are and there isn't a place we can go that doesn't do this auto gratuity buillshit. You know what we get? Shity service, that's what. The service staff isn't going to bust a sweat serving us because they know they'll get a forced tip regardless of what they do. I've had people get into huge arguments with the management because of this.
I will agree on principle that so long as it is noticed on the menu or in some other fashion so that you know about it before you buy, then placing your order is an implicit agreement to pay the fee you were notified of. Welching on that is just being an asshole, no matter your reasoning. but I still don't think they should CALL it a tip. Call it a service fee and allow for the generous of the world to tip above and beyond that - especially in that a REAL tip for YOUR service ought not be under obligation to be split with others who's level of service did not contribute to earning the tip.
The only reason I don't like percentages is the cost of food in relation to the tip. If I serve two plates to two people that cost $50 for both, that's roughly $7.50 for a tip. If I serve two plates that's $15, the tip is only $2.25. If I gave a tip of $2.25, I would be considered a cheapskate, but it would be 15% of the total cost of the meal. Not that I would give such a tip, but I just don't like percentages because it takes nothing but the price of food into account. It may sound odd, but I like my "$5 + $2 per friend" method better. That way, even if the food total is $200 over the course of 10 people, that's a $25 tip just from me alone, not counting what anyone else leaves!
No, but if asked for my thoughts (as in this thread) i would call bullshit on the use of a word that amounts to a bait & switch con.
Yeah, it couldn't possibly be that the service is slow because of how big your group is or that the server's attitude is shitty because you're getting in arguments with the manager.
A shitty person. That pastor would fit right in with some of the "Christians" on Wordforge. A pretty high one, IMHO. Everybody always screams about "If you put it on the web, it's no longer 'private'!!!!" which is true, but the douchebag preacher didn't leave the receipt on the web. She left it on the table. Paladin answered this one well. The server was wronged, but what they did in return was wrong, too. Deservedly fired. I don't understand that, either. I used to date a waitress and remember when she'd come home bitching about cheapskates. Unless the service is really shitty (which doesn't happen in this town due to the tourism industry) I tip a minimum of 20%, often more. It's easier to multiply the tab by .20 than .15, especially when I'm drunk.
When you have a table and they give you a single waiter, you can bet your ass it's time to get in somebody's face.
BTW, didn't we have a thread here a few years ago where another religious group stiffed a waitperson? Something about not leaving any money at all, but instead leaving a note saying "Jesus is the Way--The best tip you'll receive" or some bullshit like that? Could've sworn I saw that here...
Mikey made a macaroni picture at Jewbilee and gave it to a waitress once as a tip. Maybe that's what you're thinking of.
From one of the links: This would imply that the pastor outed herself. if the truth is being told here (and obviously that is not completely verifiable) then there seems to be a VERY minor offense here - in that she underestimated the internet. I agree. And I've seen or heard of this happening elsewhere as well. The principle "the customer is always right" is fine - in principle. But asking high quality employees to suffer abuse from assholes lest you lose the business of assholes is, in my view, wrongheaded on the face of it. Often, even other customers applaud the employee for not suffering abuse from assholes. Which goes back to what Anc was describing about the pay system (though I do recall from my delivery days that the owner did have to make up the difference to minimum wage if i went untipped (say worked a full shift with only one delivery or something) yeah, and? Your the mayor and you get caught with a hooker it wil ruin your rep. Is it the reporter's fault you hooked up? Nope, it's yours alone. You get busted fucking up, YOU ruined your reputation, not the one who busted you. the way things like this typically turn out, she will have a job twice as good by next week. A lot of people out there jump on stories like this and try to make things right. In my view - firing was entirely too harsh for the offense. All the more so given that the pastor who first demanded they fire everyone (patently ridiculous) is now quoted thusly: Luckily, I'm certain she'll end up better off.
Speaking of which, why in the hell is a jew preaching at us regarding tipping etiquette? Oh the irony...
