What would Jesus tip?

I don't think it was me talking about that one, but I did have a group of 30 or 40 people from a church group stop in, made a mess of the atrium where they were seated, including sticky floors, dishes glued to the table from syrup and gods knows what else, soda spilled all over the table, crayons crushed into the floor. It was disgusting. It took me and two other servers the better part of an hour to get it cleaned up. I was also the bus boy, so I had the brunt of it. Unfortunately, I was the only bus boy, so other tables had to be neglected while we tried to clean everything up.

The worst part is that even though our service was good (drinks always filled, requests answered, we were positive and friendly, etc), they left no tip, save for a "$20 bill". Upon unfolding it, were the words from John 3:16, or something like that. To me, that's douchebaggery.

Climb off it, you sanctimonious nitwit. Like I already said, included gratuities rarely go to the wait staff. They usually wind up in the manager/owner's pocket. Yes, a tip is part of the bill . . . if the service warrants it. I am a generous tipper. I've tipped 30-50% in some circumstances. My average tip is 20%. But if the service was shit, the food was wrong or cold or otherwise fucked up, then the tip was 0. And that's for me to decide, not the business. A tip is incentive and reward for being good at your job. Nothing more. Like John said, the "autogratuity" is nothing more than a service fee for having to handle a large group. And if a restaurant can't handle a large group once in a while, then fuck 'em. That's part of their goddam business.

Fuck off with the semantic bullshit. Tip, gratuity, service fee. If the place makes it clear that all parties over a certain size pay 18% then that IS NOT optional. You pay your fucking bill. You don't steal part of your meal and hope no one catches you/stops you before you get away.

Don't like THEIR RULES, don't go there. /end story

And I have never waited tables at a place or even heard of a place where managers take grat. I have a feeling that is just something you tell yourself to rationalize your theft.

Whatever, sparky.

What is your malfunction? Are you drunk? Sober up before you decide to show your dick to everyone. I have been a server, I've worked in a restaurant with a mandatory tipping clause, and we never saw any of that money. I have no reason to lie, and Lanz has no reason to lie.

Get butthurt when called out for being a thief, don't fucking steal.

Who is stealing? I don't recall Lanz stealing, and I know I haven't stolen anything. What are you trying to do, your John Castle impression for the evening? Well, good show, old man, you've officially fabricated shit and accused everyone of it.

If the clearly stated policy is that you have to pay XX% and you don't pay it that is stealing.

And like I already said, I don't do business with places that include a gratuity in the bill.

Holy Jeebus, you're turning into RickDeckard as I watch.

Good for you.

So what you're saying is that Lanz didn't pay the service charge, that he's a thief. Keep in mind that since this is an autogratuity, which is a service charge, not a tip, it's going to be on the receipt that way, and that Lanz couldn't have left without paying his full tab unless it was authorized by the cashier or the Manager. Now, Lanz may have not agreed with the service and refused to pay the service charge, which is his right as a customer to negotiate that with the Manager. So st what point, in that scenario, did he steal?

Reread the OP. That is theft.

You mean the OP that isn't Lanz?

Sigh.

If the establishment charges (and makes it clear that it charges) some fee (call it whatever you want: service, autogratuity, whatever) for handling large groups, then you MUST pay it if you choose to eat there and the restaurant upholds its end of the deal. To not pay it is to renege on the terms on which you were served.

If you open up the menu and order the $10 shrimp cocktail, you can't elect to pay $5 (or nothing) for it after you've eaten it. Same thing with the service charge for large groups.

Yeah, I really don't see why people don't get this.

If RickDeckard said he's a communist, yet he lives in a capitalist society and enjoys the prosperity that a capitalist society gives him, and tells people what a great system the society has, wouldn't people doubt his supposed communism?

Just what we needed. Another thread so we can keep track of the people who are going to Hell.

Next we should have a thread and see who here thinks it's cool to talk in movie theaters.

While we all disagree on things, including methods of tipping, can we all at least agree we don't like hipsters?

cold? ok. that's a sign that they were lazy or not paying attention...

but if your steak was cooked wrong, you should realize that the server bringing it to you DID NOT COOK IT!

Just because your countries system is broken to the point that advertised prices aren't correct.

I've never worked as a waiter, but isn't it part of the waitstaff's job to make sure an order is correct? I remember one time going to a steakhouse, placing our order, then waiting for our food. Waitress came back and said she was sorry, but she noticed one of the steaks wasn't cooked properly (was my dates, she ordered "medium" but it came out rare), and it would be a few minutes while her steak was cooked properly.

I didn't say cooked, I said wrong. Like if I ordered a steak and the server brings fish.

I stopped reading after this, because...seriously. Do people not realize that nothing is truly private online, no matter how many filters and blocks one puts around it?

I mean, we can bitch all day long about people being sacked or denied employment over FB bullshit, but just like with people who travel through NYC airports with guns I feel no sympathy for her ass, either.

Somebody who doesn't succeed in living the life recommended by Jesus, who forgot the concept of render unto Ceasar, in this case, render unto servers.

None. Act an ass in a communication to another individual, don't expect that person to remain silent.

Probably. If we apply a karmatic lens, she did more harm to the pastor than was done to herself.

Personally, and I say this as somebody who has worked for tips in the past, I can't fucking stand them in current form. I like the idea that somebody who goes to extra effort should get something back in return. A tip of 5% would cover that concept. It galls me at times, when I look at how many meals are served by the same person over the course of my dining, to add up all those tips and come to the conclusion that the hourly tip rate is excessive.

That might explain how you completely missed the point!

Stop making an ass out of yourself. There is a difference between affordability and refusing to pay for something that wasn't earned.

If it's mandatory than it isn't a gratuity. And the laws vary on this. In some states, the added gratuity is legally just a suggestion, and therefore not something the restaurant can enforce.

I wonder what would happen if that pastor put a note on her tax returns saying..."I give God 10%, why do you get __%?"

What would the IRS do, ya think?

Even it it's cold (or the plate is two steps away from melting due to being under the headlamp) it's more likely to be a a wheelman problem than a server issue.

Semantics. Boo fucking hoo. Ever place I've rented for the last 10 years (in three states) has had a 'non-refundable' part of the deposit.