Where have the happy women in pornography gone?

So I'm a lady who enjoys erotic stuff. Porn being one of them.About one third of visitors to websites, and consumers of pornography are female. http://articles.cnn.com/2009-07-24/...-royalle-explicit-sexual-imagery?_s=PM:LIVING
But I am upset these days. Where are the women in porn that appear to actually be enjoying the sex they are having? 70, 80's, even 90's Jenna Jameson, and early millenium Katie Morgan appeared to be having a great time. However it seems that much of the stuff I've been seeing lately the women are just props. They don't look like they are enjoying it very much at all. They are just holes to be filled. There also seems to be a stronger tone of misogyny in the recent stuff being put out. Is it merely the proliferation of the internet? Is this a direct response to consumer demand? Shall I have to shell out the big bucks for niche videos forever?
I'm seriously interested in the guys take on this sort of thing. Do you think it's healthy, normal, or do you think the standards have changed over the decades?

Something to chat about besides all the doom and gloom of politics and international revolutions.
Cheers, Vandy

Well, I was gonna mention Jenna but you already did.

I think porn was a different animal before the internet. These days any swinging dick (and his female counterpart) with a vidcam can be 'porn stars.' While quantity has a quality all its own, quality has definitely suffered.

A lot of those cable-network soft core porn series feature women who are at least pretending to enjoy it or having an erotic experience of some sort. Most of what you find on the web is nearly identical (to itself) except for the players:

1. Girl sucks off guy
2. Guy eats out girl
3. Choose position 1
4. Choose position 2
5. Choose position 3
6. Girl sucks off guy a little more
7. Money shot

Agreed, but contrary to popular belief women enjoy "hard-core" as much as men. Skinemax ain't cutting it. I'm just wondering if men are enjoying the crap level of porn more than the Jenna Jameson "I'm having a good time" porn. If that were the most popular form wouldn't that be the most watched and therefore the most made? Or is it simply that because the internet has made it free the idea is to get off on anything? Why the increase in woman-as-hole porn? Is that what is most likely to arouse the 2/3rd majority of men who consume pornography? Where is the high demand for that coming from?
Or is truly just bad filmmaking and maybe it takes more work to make good pornography than any of us realized?

I avoid actual porn "stars," in favor of amateurs and home video type stuff, for exactly that kind of reason. Sweaty roidmonkey nailing bored porn chick while she wears the kind of expression on her face that you'd expect to see on a woman doing her taxes or something....just completely uninteresting. Could be as simple as the "professionals" getting so desensitized physically and mentally that they don't really enjoy it anymore. I dunno.

I don't pay much attention to the women in porn, but the men don't look like they're having fun, either.

Well let's face it, how much fun would it really be to get your freak on in front of a whole camera crew and various other people looking on with various levels of interest and disinterest?

Not much, I'm thinking, except for a rare few that REALLY do seem to get into it. Either that or they are the ones that really coulda been actors.

Think you answered your own question.

wifey's world.

That chick seems to enjoy what's going on.

But, those are mainly BJ vids.

I'm not really a heavy consumer but from what little I've seen in passing, I think Bree Olsen and Spring Thomas have a reputation for being pretty chipper and enthusiastic.






Not a lot of suitable pics of Thomas given the forum and the safe-for-work rules in the image search, but if you do a search for yourself you can find not a few images of her looking very happy to be doing what she's doing.

Beyond that, I don't think I could even name a third currently popular performer.
Let alone know who's looking happy and who isn't. When i do look at such stuff it's more often the amateur stuff than the pros.

Exhibitionism isn't THAT rare, else we'd face a shortage of strippers. i don't think it's a massive leap from the pole to the porn. I would guess the main decider is not the presence of the crew, but the reality that the act will be permanently recorded and might come back on you.

Swingers clubs are full of folks doing the horizontal bop in front of witnesses with various levels of interest.

Nova,
Umm thanks. But I don't really need the photos , I'm sure I can find them. I was more interested in the discussion for Red Room purposes.
Marso,
As for getting your freak on in camera, seems to me as fetishes go exhibitionism shouldn't be that hard to find. I mean if we can find it in a Jets head coach and his wife surely you could find it for professional purpose.

Uncle Albert you make a good point and maybe that is a reason for the increase in amateur stuff in the sphere.

Am I the only one that has noticed an uptick in seemingly misogynistic or borderline violent porn on the interwebs??

No. That crap is everywhere, anymore. For that matter, so is everything else that a semi-healthy person would find revolting. I'm not even gonna list all the nasty shit that I've run across and been traumatized. It's like a minefield. Can't trust a link in a gallery or anything. You just accept the possibility that you might see something you can't unsee before you can click the window closed. I don't even bother all that much anymore.

True enough. Point conceded.

Here's an analogy that might work.

In the sixties, country music was overtaken by something called "The Nashville Sound" which was, in most cases, a very bland formula style of production that was recognizable no matter who the singer was.

The reason that people like Willie and Waylon got the reputation they did was bucking against that formula.

Perhaps what you are noting is a similar phenomena - simply a formulaic "way it's done" rut that the major producers in the industry are in.

It seems to me that the boom in "amateur" porn is not just because of the internet making it possible for anyone to get in, but because most such sites break the formula. there's every "extreme" and variant you can imagine, and the great majority of it stuff that "mainstream" porn didn't take much interest in.

Spring Thomas, for instance, pretty much built her own success on prolific interracial stuff when a lot of the "name" porn people wouldn't do IR.

If you look hard enough you can find almost anything (not that you are unaware of this) and it seems to me the "outlaws" are outstriping the "formula" producers at this point - albeit the market is so crowded that the formula types still make the most money.

Not sure if there's more of it per se or just more visibility, but as noted already, every variant of fetishistic material is more visible now.

I don't think the violent type stuff is new at all - B&D/S&M have long proud traditions in underground porn.

I have noted in some of my browsing a rather interesting (in terms of it seeming to be kind of a "new" twist) tangent in what you would consider misogynistic stuff - things like "a slut knowing her place" and the idea that she only has purpose in that she pleases men. Things like putting the woman in a very "degrading" position (I recall a thread i read somewhere about porn which featured women who were "made" to blow homeless guys, for instance).

But from what I saw (admittedly you can never completely trust anything you read online) there are women who have a fetish for being treated like that - they get off on the role of "sex toy" or whatever. I'm not sure it's classically misogynistic (in terms of the participants) if the woman in question wants to do what she's doing.

I suppose, though, that you'd have to apply that label to those who find that sort of porn attractive.

Nova,
I think your second half stuff was more what I was talking about as opposed to BDSM stuff. Which honestly has a much more structured and many times sex positive view in my mind, certainly in such that women can be in the Dom role as much as men.

I can only handle the "tie me up and spank me" stuff when it's strictly girl-on-girl.

That's ok. That's just you. As long as it's out there and it's an even power exchange seems to me it's more consenting play than some of the other stuff I've seen.

A g/f of mine pointed out that anyone can do straight, "vanilla" porn. It's just a matter of mechanics BDSM requires that someone be somewhat into it to do it. (Assuming that everyone is consenting. On the 'net, who knows for sure?) You Porn is very repetitive, but go to the search window and type in 42 and look at "Not Bad for 42 Years Old". I'd rather see something like that than the heroin skank and the steroid freak doing it. The unfortunate reality of the web is that while it makes stuff we might be interested in looking at available, it also puts up front stuff that perverts used to pass around on the underground market.

This. "Mainstream" porn is just awful these days. Tattoo-covered walking cliches looking like they're shoveling horse poop rather than having fun. The amateur stuff that's out there is much better.

Ah for the days of Ginger Lynn, Annette Haven, etc when they enjoyed it and let you know they were.

Every once in a while, you can catch "newsy" interviews with stars, and often you'll hear them comment about their "careers" in porn. You might wonder if, once having identified it as "work", that doing porn doesn't have some of the (for lack of a better word) joy sucked out of it?

In 70s porn, you got the feeling that some of the women were hating it, but doing it because it was easy money. During the 80s, when it appeared that women were gaining some control of their involvement in porn, the happy woman emerged in flix.

Today, perhaps it's just a different kind of grind which results in phoned-in, joyless and unconvincing performances.

(I agree on the misogynistic and violent elements. Like addicts, are they trying to push further for a bigger thrill?)

At least you didn't say "just another pain-in-the-ass job," like I almost did.

Lanzman has a blueray yuri collection.

I'm moving to The Netherlands:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/10/porn-channel-for-dutch-wo_n_821255.html

And what really boggles my mind is that during the late 70's/early 80's when "porn" as we know it started, there was little competition.
There were a handful (no pun intended) of porn stars. They had the market cornered, so they could have done a terrible job and people would still have watched.

Yet, their performances (many of them) still stand the test of time.
So I would say the classic age is youir best bet.

Ginger Lynn, Christy Canyon, Amber Lynn, Gina Carrera, Kristara Barrington, and Seka are but a few of the greats. And not a fake boob in the bunch! And the male actors had personality! Ron Jeremy, John Holmes, and to a lesser degree Tom Byron and Peter North (they had just got started).

But the late 80's/early 90's had their moments. Tori Welles, Chasey Lain, Racquel Darrian, Jill Kelly were great, but alas they had fake boobs.

But the consensus does indeed lean toward saturation on the internet that ruins things. And because there is unlimited competition (with a limted amount of georgeous women) the sex gets more + more hardcore + outrageous.

But we can't put the web genie back in the bottle. Thank goodness we still have the classics. I would say check out some adult movie databases with reviews to find movies that interest you.

BTW it's about time for my porn parody names of current movies. Stand by for fun, folks. I've got some real groaners cooking in my melon.

Ginger lynn was inn the wing commander games and the easter egg credits have some references to her doign porn.

I was reading an article in The Atlantic recently about this very subject and it said that men for the most part do not want to see women "enjoying" herself.

Because it makes it look like the man is working to pleasure her instead of just being pleasured himself.

The author of the article (a woman) talked about a one night stand she had with a guy from work. He was having problems staying aroused until he suggested they try anal sex.

The author quickly agreed but did ask the guy why he wanted to do it.

He said honestly "Because it is the only thing that will make you uncomfortable".

Only misogynists would feel that way. Most of us are gratified to be able to give our partners pleasure.