World War Three

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  1. NotDayton Kitchens

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    I am fascinated by World War Three and the deaths of 7-9 million Americans that would have resulted. I feel that it would have helped make this country and the world a better place if the Cold War had ended that way instead of the peaceful way that it did.

    As long as this happened when I was at an age not to be drafted I would be okay with it.

    My other thoughts are that a World War would have led to better Star Trek, and that we were better off before civil rights ruined everything in the 1960s.


    Of course I do not like war, and as I have said before, I am not turned on by it.

    All for now.
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    Well this is the end of NotDayton. :no:
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    I find NotDayton not indistinguishable from Dayton. Not.
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  6. Dayton Kitchens

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    I don't like to respond to the parody account but please note I NEVER posted that.

    Not that people will believe me.
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  8. The Original Faceman

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    7-9 is not a range within a range stated by you?
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    I think it's Shroedinger's Dayton!
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  11. Dayton Kitchens

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    That was a TOTAL worldwide fatality number. Not only Americans. Americans would be at most a fractional percentage of that.
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    Oh. As long as they're not Americans.
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    It is important to keep threads like this bogged down on minor details, Dayton. Keep up the good work. :lol:
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    So you prefer foreigners to be canon fodder, because we all know you have assigned a numerical value to lives of non Americans.
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    I figured of U.S. allies, the Germans and South Koreans would absorb the lions share of the allied fatalities.

    And the British if the Soviets nuked Birmingham as they did in The Third World War: August 1985 and its followup by Sir John Hackett.

    Of course in raw numbers, the Russians, North Koreans, and various Africans would make up the bulk of the losses.
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  17. Dayton Kitchens

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    Well naturally. Western nations have a history of doing that you know.

    In World War One, Englan itself lost about 550,000 in the war. Yet another 400,000 plus South Africans, Indians, Australians, New Zealanders died fighting on behalf of the British.
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    Is this turning you on, too?
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    I resent the statement that this conversation turns me on.

    Unexplained erections are very common. And who can control what they have daydreams about?
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    So what is your appropriate ratio of Americans to foreigners deaths?
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    World War 3 was The Cold War.
    The War On Terror was WW4.
    Cyber War With China and North Korea is WW5.
    So, what is traditionally thought of as WW3, nuclear Armageddon, has actually been bumped up to WW6.
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  23. Dayton Kitchens

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    I don't think in terms of ratio.

    I figured that based on REFORGER estimates about 400,000 Americans would be engaged in combat in West Germany. Assuming full spectrum use of chemical weapons but no nuclear weapons then U.S. forces would suffer about 6% fatalities. Which works about to 24,000 Americans killed.

    Plus 3,000 or so among the Americans stationed in Britain.

    Now, assume 500,000 civilian fatalities in Western Europe I figure that Americans would be about 5% of the total for 25,000 deaths.

    Now assume the North Korean invasion of South Korea (encouraged by the Soviets) and 100,000 Americans available for combat assume 8% U.S. fatalities for 8,000 killed and about 5% of the 100,000 Americans around Seoul also killed. That amounts to 13,000 Americans lost in the Korean phase of the conflict.

    Now, looking at losses at sea. I assumed the U.S. would lose roughly 100 naval vessels including 20 SSNs and 3 carriers. The 20 sunk SSNs would be total personnel losses for about 2,600 crewman lost. Assume that roughly one third of the personnel on the destroyed carriers would be killed and that amounts to 6,000 total. The other 77 vessels lost would probably average about 200 crewman killed on each so that amounts to 24,000 total navy personnel lost.

    Add in another 5,000 people killed by various other causes and the grand total for Americans is 94,000

    All estimates are approximations of course. Changing even a single factor could alter the figures upward heavily. But I doubt it would be much below 90,000 in the best possible case scenario.

    I hope that answers some questions.
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    OK, the big question -

    What if it turns out that NotDayton is a duel of Dayton himself?

    Will you be able to recognize the genius? Or will cognitive dissonance explode your head?

    I'm thinking the later myself.... :D
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  27. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    The "Real" Dayton isn't that clever.
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    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    It's not Dayton himself. But the person doing NotDayton has him down cold.
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  29. Shirogayne

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    Naw, there's been some language slip ups that have given this person up. It's not Dayton.

    Also, what Garamet said
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