Worse SecDef

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  1. Jeff Cooper Disciple

    Jeff Cooper Disciple You've gotta be shittin' me.

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    Robert McNamara or Donald Rumsfeld.

    Discuss. :evilpop:
  2. Baba

    Baba Rep Giver

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    Why you picking on rummy he was a great man just kidding tough choice. They are both so much a like. I go with both.
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  3. Aurora

    Aurora VincerĂ²!

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    I always have to laugh at the title 'Secretary of Defense' :lol:
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  4. Liet

    Liet Dr. of Horribleness, Ph.D.

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    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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    Yes.
  6. Marso

    Marso High speed, low drag.

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    That's because you continue to fail to understand what a kind, benevolent nation we really are.

    Oh, and Cheney was the worst, hands down. That son of a bitch killed my super tomcat!! Now the Navy has to fly around a gold plated POS named after an insect!! :sob:
  7. Zombie

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    No she's right. Secretary of Defense is laughable. It should have stayed Secretary of War.
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  8. Bobcat

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    Did we win the War of Attrition yet?
  9. Elwood

    Elwood I know what I'm about, son.

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    Just so long as the Secretary of the Navy has equal footing, I'm cool. Let the Chair Force die on the vine. :bergman:
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  10. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    I can understand Congress not declaring war in the nuclear age though. It helps to keep one more layer between a conventional conflict, even if it is a war, and total war, which these days means mass genocide.
  11. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    I'd have to go with McNamara just because we've had more time to put his fuckups into perspective. And of course Vietnam was a much broader war, had a huge political impact, and killed 14 times as many Americans as Iraq did.

    We don't have the perspective to weigh everything Rumsfield did - hell I'd imagine there's a pretty good chance we don't KNOW everything Rumsfield did.

    But he certainly massively screwed the pooch by thinking he knew better than the War College and the Pentagon war planners. That kind of hubris is unforgivable.

    I don't think we'll be able to make an accurate call on that for another decade or so.

    James Forrestall wasn't a bad Sec of Def, but he sure had a weird death.
  12. Zombie

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    I blame Clinton's grandfather. :bergman:
  13. Sokar

    Sokar Yippiekiyay, motherfucker. Deceased Member

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    Bulldog Only Pawn in Game of Life

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    But male "secretaries"?
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    Bulldog Only Pawn in Game of Life

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    John Tower would have been fun if he had passed the nomination process. He was so drunk most of the time that he probably would have invaded Ontario just for the fun of it.
  16. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

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    IIRC, his daughter that died in the plane crash with him was pretty hot.

    By the way, McNamara hands down.

    It wasn't just Vietnam.

    It was the way he handled the U.S. nuclear arsenal.

    Insisting on a giant ICBM force (that became vulnerable in only a few years) while neglecting U.S. bombers because

    "when he ran down the numbers, missiles were so much more efficient than bombers".

    And people bitching that Cheney killed the Super Tomcat.

    Hell, McNamara killed the B-70 Valkryie!!! One of the most magnificent aircraft of all time.